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Print Pantone colors

Hi all!

Looking to buy a new A4 laser printer but can't decide what to get. I'll be printing vector graphics and want the biggest possible color gamut.

I see some printers are Pantone approved. Can I pick a pms color from the Corel pallette and get a matching pms color printed? What do I need to make that happen?

/Niklas

 



[edited by: orsaskylt at 3:02 (GMT -5) on Wed, Nov 25 2009] Typo in subject

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  • Well you can, sort of.

    Pantone colors are what is referred to as "spot colors" and a laser printer is going to try and produce an equivalent spot color by mixing CYMK toner. There are some Pantone colors that just can't be simulated using CYMK. In other words they're out of gamut. Green and orange are a couple of colors that most any color laser are going to have trouble with - Pantone approved or not.

    That being said, a Pantone approved color laser should give you acceptable results for basic proofing purposes. It really depends on how fussy your clients are.

    Dan

  • In reply to Terremoto:

    Thank you,

    I understand that many pms colors are not possible to reproduce on a cmyk device. My biggest concern is the workflow. Are the printdrivers set up to recognize named spot colors (like a RIP for a large format inkjet)? I dont want to look up every CMYK-value for every specific pms I want to use. Just use the pantone palette in Corel. Just choose for example Panton 300, and Pantone 300 comes out the printer.

    What brand of printer would be recommended?

    Niklas

  • Hi,
     
    When people think "Pantone" they envision spot colors most of the time (for nostaligia reasons).
     
    Pantone has other swatch books, including CMYK combinations as found in their Color bridge product.
     
    I suspect Pantone approved means a CMYK device can reproduce their combinations of CMYK values with good accuracy.
     
    Spot colors are really a different thing, and as Dan stated simply offer colors not possible with CMYK.
     
    <orsaskylt> wrote in message news:72526@coreldraw.com...

    I see some printers are Pantone approved. Can I pick a pms color from the Corel pallette and get a matching pms color printed? What do I need to make that happen?

    /Niklas

  • In reply to Jeff Harrison:

    For example, Xerox Docucolor laser printers includes a special software called Fiery wich allow to do a good color calibration, and print the Pantone color as best is possible. But of course, not all Pantone colors can be printed on laser or CMYK. The most common used is the "Pantone Coated" colors, but if you print a coated pantone on an uncoated paper, the color will look different.

  • In reply to orsaskylt:

    Niklas,

    I use a Xerox Phaser 6130 that I purchased for the following reasons:

    1. It's relatively cheap.
    2. It's Pantone approved
    3. It's True Adobe PostScript 3

    It works relatively well except that it seems to have some sort of an issue printing in landscape out of CorelDraw when using the PostScript driver. The workaround is to use a PPD (PostScript Printer Description) file. It's not the most elegant solution but it does the job.

    When it's time to replace it I will likely go with an Oki tabloid printer essentially for it's media handling capabilities. It's not Pantone approved as far as I know and it only emulates PostScrpt 3. For what I have in mind these are relatively minor inconveniences though.

    I guess it all depends on how you plan to use the printer and what your expectations are.

    The best way I've found to buy a printer is to put a couple of CorelDraw files on a jump drive and then hit as many resellers as you can and try and talk them into printing out a couple of your files. That way you're going to get a real world comparison that's relevant to your situation and not some mumbo-jumbo sales oriented comparison where they print out a graphic optimized for their printer.

    I'm sure others on this forum are familiar with other printers that are Pantone approved. If you're patient I'm sure they'll chime in.

    Dan

  • In reply to orsaskylt:

    Niklas,

    I know with the Xerox Phase line of printers they will provide a CorelDraw Pantone palette that is optimized for their printer. That's the palette I use in CorelDraw for anything I'm sending to the Phaser. If you "hover" the mouse pointer over a particular colour on the palette a "pop-up" will indicate the named/numbered Pantone colour.

    The real expert on all this is David Milisock but I haven't seem him on this forum for a day or two.

    Dan

  • orsaskylt
    I'll be printing vector graphics and want the biggest possible color gamut.

    Ok to explain all about this is complicated so I'll recommend my book at www.graphictechnology.com.

    Now that I have prostituted myself let me say this, to utilize the maximum gamut from a printer the first considerations are this, is the printer postscript or non postscript?

    Either way the controling factor of the printer gamut wil be the media, ink (toner) limit dot gain profile used in the device.  To use this to it's fullest extent will require that you (first off have the proper color management settings in the main color management dialog) build your file and then convert all color to RGB.  This is detailed which is why I recommend the book.

    This will suffice if the device is non-postscript, if the device is postscript you'll then have two options.  This is becaue Corel does not support RGB vectors in any postscript filter or driver.  Your choices are then to rasterize the vectors and send them down as RGB images in the print stream or to publish a native color Corel published PDF and then print from Acrobat.

    These processes will produce the wides gamut possible from any device.

  • In reply to David Milisock:

    David

    do you work in a CMYK environment in CD or an RGB one?

  • In reply to Ghiangelo:

    Ghiangelo

    David

    do you work in a CMYK environment in CD or an RGB one?

    Good question, for expanded gamut work as was requested in the originating post I work in the native environment of my clients files regardless of what that is. 

    For example if my client has corporate identity that is spot color I bring in that spot color and then as I import each item and convert to Adobe RGB 1998 for Postscript RIP based ink jet, sRGB for non-postscript ink ject and web or presentation.  Just remember that sRGB is not a wide enough RGB gamut to encompass all CMYK or spot colors.

    This requires that color management to be set up for proper ICC compliant conversions and for RGB vectors in postscript a Corel Published native color PDF for output.  For work flows that do not support Corel published PDF I open the Corel PDF in Acrobat 8 Pro and export as a PS file then place it into the RIP.