Text border/stroke?

After all these years and updates, CorelPP STILL does not support text borders/stroke??  I just don't understand why not.  Every version I keep hoping, but always get dissappointed.  Now X4 comes along and still nothing.  Photoshop has supported this feature for years, but why can't Corel keep up?  It seems to me that they focus all their efforts on CorelDRAW and for CorelPHOTO-PAINT, they just go in and change the icons and call it a day. Maybe I'm missing something and just can't find this feature hidden somewhere (wishful thinking, I'm sure)??

For a few years now to simulate this effect I have to go into DRAW and create a text object with a border.  Then copy it. Go into Photo-Paint and create another text object.  Then paste the DRAW text object into the PP text object and see how it looks.  If the border is too thick or too thin, then i have to start all over again.  But if the border is good, then at least i have the ability to alter the letters in the text while still keeping the effect which is good.  But it seems to me that if I can mimick the effect in PP, why can't Corel simply implement it into the software fully and give us the ability to change the border thickness and color right there within PP?

Don't get me wrong, I love the Corel products and prefer them over Photoshop and Illustrator, but I wish that Corel would listen to its customers and fix the current problems and if at all possible, match many of the features of the Adobe counterparts.

What do you guys think?

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  • Concept,

    I don't disagree that having the ability to specify outline attributes in
    Corel PHOTO-PAINT would be a great feature.

    What I disagree with is your statement "they just go in and change the icons
    and call it a day". This certainly wasn't the case with PHOTO-PAINT X4.
    There are several really good new features. Are there as many as I'd like,
    no way!

    **I wish that Corel would listen to its customers and fix the current
    problems**

    Corel has done a lot of listening and has fixed a number of things brought
    to them by users. But I honestly don't remember the outlining issue being
    mentioned often and that is probably the reason it didn't get the
    development time in this upgrade.
  • In reply to FosterCoburn:

    Trust me we have given Corel a right ear bashing in the Advisory Forum and Beta Group.

    But that certainly doesn't me you shouldn't have a say too.

    YES PP needs more work and the more comment there is to this effect the greater the change of that happening. 

    So knock yourself out!

    OH don't think it didn't get any attention. The bouncing horror box that was curves is gone for one and there is the beginning of RAW support. Make sure and put suggestions in the suggestion box at the bottom or they get lost in here.



    [edited by: Yani at 10:47 (GMT -7) on Tue, Feb 12 2008]
  • In reply to FosterCoburn:

    Ok, so it was a little exhaggerated for me to say that all they do is change the icons, but when you compare the new features between DRAW and PP, you can clearly see which one got more attention.  And this happens on nearly every single release of the product since I can remember (I've been using the Corel Suite since version 6.0).

    I realize that we need to speak up as a group for Corel to hear us, but for things like text borders, this should have been implemented about 4 versions back!  I would love to hear how many people who actually use PP frequently ever wanted to give their text a simple outline and realize that they can't.  And then you scratch your head and say, "but you can do it in DRAW, why not PP?".  And yes, I realize that they are 2 different animals in the sense tha one is vector and the other is raster based graphics, but the need and possiblity is still there.  I remember seeing this simple feature available in Adobe Photoshop back around version 6 or 7 (someone correct me if I'm wrong).  Adobe is Corel's direct competitor, so shouldn't Corel be watching what the competition is doing?

    Believe me, I'm not this angry person just bashing Corel.  It's quite the opposite.  I love the Corel products and just want to see them succeed.  It just frightens me that with every release, they are getting left farther and farther behind Adobe.

    Corel, please don't make me switch to from CorelPHOTO-PAINT to Adobe Photoshop...please! Wink

  • In reply to Concept211:

    There is some really basic stuff that needs to be fixed. And some of what was attempted only went part of the way.

    All of which is a bit of a shame as PP does do a couple of things better then PS. But not enough things!

    The interface with Draw and the fact that every edit (OLE) causes a separate session to start is just tragic. There is quite a list!

    Please SCREAM ABOUT IT, TYPE IN ALL CAPS IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER. You won't get any disagreement from anyone in here. PP lets the team down. If it's not brought up to speed fast then we are better served by improved integration with Photoshop. Which maybe should be done in any case.

    I read the 3/4 report and Corel doubled the sales of CGS since last year. It's their flagship product. And PP is the dog being towed by the ship. It's the life raft that is too small to hold the passengers.

    Yani

     

  • In reply to Yani:

    Well, I'm very glad to hear that I'm not the only one that feels this way about PP.  I've always searched the internet and forums looking for solutions to different problems that I have in PP, but usually never find any.  I only see posts and articles about DRAW.  So it made me think that basically no one really uses PP, therefore they have no issues.

    I hate to say it, but I may have to begin my transition to Photoshop because I know for a fact that we're going to wait another 2 years for X5 to come along and all we're going to get are 1 or 2 useless tool enhancements and a new set of icons for PP.  Sad

  • In reply to Concept211:

     I suggest you do like this as well, suggest your wish and attach an image on how it looks, or how you like it to look and work. If you like to have supprters that "scream" as loud as you, put an attachment image as reference, not all would know what you talk about.

    Me for example I was in the Advisory Council Forum and Beta Forum for X4, as was both Foster and Yani, and I attached images as referens, together with explanation of text. The straighten image dialog, howevere great it is, I wanted even more features to it, and attached images to explain. We were loud and struggling about a lot of things, and Corel DID listen, but we didnt get all we wished for. There were even more features and tools I wanted, and didnt get, but I attached images with text explanation, and it made it more direct for others, who useally dont have the same needs as I have, to understand what I meant.

     



    [edited by: Stefan Lindblad at 7:14 (GMT -7) on Wed, Feb 13 2008]
  • Concept211
    CorelPP STILL does not support text borders/stroke?? 

     

    I'm on the other end as an output provider I wish image editors like PS and PP would not be used to create text.  Anything under 24 pt looks like crap and we get that small stuff all the time.  The the client cries and whines cause they have to rebuild the file.

  • In reply to David Milisock:

    David Milisock
    I'm on the other end as an output provider I wish image editors like PS and PP would not be used to create text.  Anything under 24 pt looks like crap and we get that small stuff all the time.  The the client cries and whines cause they have to rebuild the file.

    That's why the client should be using a vector program (DRAW or Illustrator) for print work.  But for my line of work (web design/development), all my work is mostly raster based, therefore I need these features in PP.

  • In reply to Concept211:

    We has a few thousand web site a few years back and sold them off, did my text in Draw.  I had one machine that was set up as a default web, pixels for the rulers and 72 DPI.  Whether you use PS or PP for me it was easier and faster to create as vector and convert to raster when finished.  For me PS, (and all Adobe products) are about as intuitive a a virgin in a brothel!

  • In reply to Concept211:

    Hi Concept,

    When I was starting out I learned PP faster/better than Draw because I had a book for it to go through features.

    Later on, I came to love the flexibility of Draw for creating web components. I've built about 20 sites now. I think that if you were more comfortable with Draw, you wouldn't look back. I still use and love PP too, but for my own sanity I use each program for their strengths. They are the perfect team.

    Re: software.. I could create digital artwork for the rest of my career with Draw 9 - about 10 years old - and survive. If you leave and move to Adobe's latest, I can't think you'd be any better off.

    JD

    Concept211

    Well, I'm very glad to hear that I'm not the only one that feels this way about PP.  I've always searched the internet and forums looking for solutions to different problems that I have in PP, but usually never find any.  I only see posts and articles about DRAW.  So it made me think that basically no one really uses PP, therefore they have no issues.

    I hate to say it, but I may have to begin my transition to Photoshop because I know for a fact that we're going to wait another 2 years for X5 to come along and all we're going to get are 1 or 2 useless tool enhancements and a new set of icons for PP.  Sad

     
  • In reply to Jeff Harrison:

    As suggested by other users, I'm attaching a screenshot of what I'm talking about.  Now that I think of it, maybe I should've referred to the text border/stroke as "outline" instead...but I figured most people in the industry would know what I'm talking about.  In the first screenshot I have PP with a "Sample" text and the next screenshot is DRAW with the same sample text but with a border/stroke/outline.  THIS is what I'd like to accomplish in PP.  One would think it would be a simple enough feature.  Hopefully this screenshot will clear up any confusion.

    Note: Yes, the screenshots are using X3 just because it is what I currently had installed on my other computer.  I have installed X4 already and there is still no such feature available.





    [edited by: Concept211 at 17:07 (GMT -7) on Wed, Feb 13 2008]
  • In reply to Concept211:

    There's a way to achieve what you want, but it doesn't always produce very good results.

    1. Create the text object
    2. Create mask from object (CTRL+M)
    3. Create path from mask (Mask > Create > Path from Mask)
    4. Select path smoothness - OK
    5. Clear mask
    6. Select Paint tool (or Effect, Clone, etc)
    7. Choose brush size, colour, etc
    8. Object > Edit Path > Brushstroke from Path

    HTH

    Roy 

     

  • In reply to RoyReed:

    And that's exactly what I mean.  8 steps to simply achieve a static outline effect?  Not very efficient, don't you think?  We need a dynamic text outline where we can edit that text at any time while still retaining the outline properties.  I hope you're listening, Corel! Smile

  • In reply to Concept211:

     If you copy outlined text from CD into a text object in PP it keeps its outline properties:

    If you have both programmes open that takes two steps - and CD and PP are meant to work together as part of a suite. 

  • In reply to Concept211:

    wrote in message news:14555@coreldraw.com...
    > And that's exactly what I mean. 8 steps to simply achieve a static
    > outline effect? Not very efficient, don't you think? We need a dynamic
    > text outline where we can edit that text at any time while still retaining
    > the outline properties. I hope you're listening, Corel!
    >

    You do know you can import vector objects from Draw and still keep them as
    vectors, right? When I need text (or any other object) that needs "outlines"
    or "contours" I do them in Draw. I then copy the item(s) to the clipboard.
    In PP, regardless of the type of object I copied, I take the Text tool (yes,
    the text tool) and then click once like I was going to start typing.
    Instead, paste your item here. Then select the item with the Pick tool and
    you can grab a handle and resize to whatever size you like. Hit the
    re-render button and it will resample itself to the new size. One caveat
    here. In versions other than PPX4 you can use PMS colors and they will
    "translate" properly to PP. X4 unfortunately will translate the PMS colors
    to a CMYK value and will look odd. The workaround is to just change the
    object's color in Draw to the RGB equiv. and it'll be fine.

    Yes, this may take more steps than you want. However, I do like the effects
    that the Contour tool in Draw can do to achieve your "outlines" that you're
    wanting.