Learn from my mistake, Corel Website Creator is one of the worst website authoring programs on the market. It is a rebranded form of Net Fusions. While Net Fusions might be a functioning software program, Web Site Creator is not. It is so bad, the not even Corel knows how to operate. Note there is no tech support avaliable. There are no forums on how to use it, it seems as if it just doesn't exist, yet they'll sale it to with Corel Draw X5 Ultimate or as a standalone for $199.99
What they won't do is provide tech support, again, they don't know how to use it. The 1100+ page manual is only a pdf file, THAT CAN NOT BE SEARCHED. The help files are written by Microsoft and are therefore useless. When I complaint about the difficulty it was advised to buy the Net Fusions 11 book to learn how to operate it. Been there have the book and it just doesn't work. Maybe Corel made enough changes to make it useless. When I delete this god awful software, the book goes into the recycle bin.
I have now wasted 16 hours over the weekend on trying to set up a site. I though I had my index page all ready to go only to find out the everything on my index page is on every page I have in my outline. They do not have masterpages as real website authoring software does, it's master borders, what ever the hell those are.
So search the forums, you'll only find this one, and there isn't much on it, because the program is not worth it. But something else, Web-Pagemaker a $50.00 program that hasn't had an update for over a year is better then Corel Website Creator, save yourselve some money, time and hairloss, buy that and not corel.
I haven't used it as yet, but from the reviews I would agree with you.
I think it was a bad move to buy over NetFusions and not do some improvements.
We must remember also, that it was added to the New CGS Suite and not in the X5 suite.
You can find support forms on the NetO site (Corel web site creator X5 is based on NetObjects Fusion 11)
I have run a support web site for the Fusion product for the past 12 years. You can find over 500 step by step tutorials on how to use the product.
Your issue with everything showing up on all pages is a basic mistake made by a lot of new users. This tutorial will explain what you have done and how you can correct the problem
As far as the time needed to build a complete web site. Several years ago I put together a 10 page live web site in 15 minutes as a demonstration of how easy the software is to use, all during an nntp (newsgroup) thread from suggestions made by other online users.
Blaming software for lack of understanding on how it functions ls like blaming your car for running out of gas
In reply to turtle:
as a person who is obviously experienced with this software, what is your opinion of it for people who are not that experienced in creating websites? I am talking about people who are keen to learn and willing to read, of course, but have little experience in web work.
Yes Web Site Creator was originally packaged with Corel Draw, it is now a stand alone product that you can purchase.
As far as my car running out of gas and me blaming the car, get real, I'm smart enough to know when to put gas into the tank. Unless of course the gas gage is combined with the temp gage, and I then have a series of steps to perform to read the fuel level, for which I have to go to a competators website, to learn how to do those steps, only to find vauge instructions that need to be tweeked for my vehicle.
I stated my opinion based on MY experiance. The personal attack was not warrented and is not appreciated. But even you can't seem to realize that you have refered me to Net Fusions website for information on how to use a "corel" product. When it all honesty, corel should have addressed this issue and Net Fusions should not have made it so difficult or maybe addressed this issue in thier manuals. AS you have been using this software, you understand it. Good for you. I have just started using it, it's difficult, there is NO support from Corel and the manual they provide is wasting space on my hard drive. I'd like to know how long it took you to get proficent in using the Net Fusions software? Or were you just blessed with the natural talent to open the program and built a 10 pages site in 10 minutes??????
In reply to Brian:
Corel Web Site Creator X5 (NetObjects Fusion 11) is an HTML generator as opposed to an HTML editor.
The user never sees any HTML code as the product writes it for them.
The entire web site creation process is done within the software's GUI. Most of the mundane tasks such as web site navigation and file organization are handled automatically by the software.
All a use needs to be able to do is; click a few icons, draw boxes, and drag and drop. Whatever the user does in the interface is changed into HTML code by the program.
It is an on screen design program that creates html documents (web pages) from the layout created by the user.
The software is advanced enough that an experienced programmer, like a designer of online dynamic driven (database created) web sites, can insert any code into any location within the HTML document that the program creates. So the software can be used by someone who just found out where the "on button" is located on their computer all the way to people who create websites using dynamic languages like ASP, PHP, and ColdFusion that create web documents from database records stored in products like MySQL or MS Sql server and generate web pages on the fly.
The biggest issue new users have is that they want to make the program more complex than it needs to be. You need to keep reminding yourself that the product does everything for you,
Thanks for the detailed response, Turtle. It sounds very interesting.
In reply to Scott GO:
I stated my opinion based on MY experience. The personal attack was not warranted and is not appreciated. But even you can't seem to realize that you have refereed me to Net Fusions website for information on how to use a "Corel" product. When it all honesty, corel should have addressed this issue and Net Fusions should not have made it so difficult or maybe addressed this issue in thier manuals. AS you have been using this software, you understand it. Good for you. I have just started using it, it's difficult, there is NO support from Corel and the manual they provide is wasting space on my hard drive. I'd like to know how long it took you to get proficent in using the Net Fusions software? Or were you just blessed with the natural talent to open the program and built a 10 pages site in 10 minutes??????
I can't comment on what Corel has in mind for support. Any company that offers a product should provide support (my opinion). They have provided this forum to their users. This forum can be a good source of support once it is going and filled with users of the product. User to user support is some of the best out there as you gain knowledge from people who have been through the same problems you have been through.
Any new software is going to have a learning curve associated with it. This product has a very shallow learning curve when compared to most HTML editors. I have used this product since 1996. I have provided aftermarket product support for the product since 1999. I've also worked tier 3 support for the company in the past. If you have used the product for 16 hours I don't see how you can formulate an accurate opinion of the product but I can understand that after such a short time working with it that you can become frustrated. In end it is up to the user to understand how a product works. Bashing a product you do not understand how to use is not a good thing to do.
If you have a problem you should ask for help with the problem. Ranting about how upset you are will not help you resolve your problems. You can read this old article I wrote (it is based on nntp newsgroups not forums but it will give you the basics of how to put together a question so that you can receive the best help on any forum/newsgroup) http://www.gotfusion.com/tutsTD/ask.cfm
turtleAny new software is going to have a learning curve associated with it. This product has a very shallow learning curve when compared to most HTML editors. I have used this product since 1996. I have provided aftermarket product support for the product since 1999. I've also worked tier 3 support for the company in the past. If you have used the product for 16 hours I don't see how you can formulate an accurate opinion of the product but I can understand that after such a short time working with it that you can become frustrated. In end it is up to the user to understand how a product works. Bashing a product you do not understand how to use is not a good thing to do.
Not sure if this is the exact case here but sometimes when you are really familiar with a product you can lose the ability to see other viewpoints.
When I design a website, I let others try it, and I sit back and watch without saying a word. I'm amazed to see that simple things to me can actually hinder or stop the websites effectiveness. Usually easy fixes and this really helps to fine tune things and squeeze out extra juice.
Sounds like Scott has created an opinion based on his 16 initial hours of using the product. If you had sat behind him during these hours it would put a whole new perspective on the product and let you understand better why he gave the opinion he did.
I stated my opinion based on MY experiance. The personal attack was not warrented and is not appreciated.
I stated my opinion based on MY experiance. The personal attack was not warrented and is not appreciated.
The answer was hardly a personal attack. If you seriously thought you "wasted" 16 hours over your weekend, you're a victim of your own unrealistic expectations.
You have to understand that building a website is a skill, and that no one - I repeat NO ONE - will be proficient in 16 hours at any serious program. Sure you can throw something together, but it won't be efficient or well-designed, or work well for your intended audience. The software can be as slick as can be, but it can't save you from yourself. There's a very good reason people pay web designers, and it's not for the software they choose to use - it's for their skill and knowledge. I don't know any web designers who seriously build sites that don't spend at least 16 hours just planning the design before they ever begin the actual coding.
You were offered a resource and turned your nose up at it. The only person that's going to hurt is you.
My advice, for what little it's worth: Go back and take another look at that "worthless" manual. NetFusions is well-respected software, so I doubt it's as worthless as you think. If you don't understand a point, come back and ask. But leave the attitude at home. It's killing any desire to help.
In reply to Sub GDG_John( ):
Sounds like Scott has based a legitimate opinion based on his 16 intial hours of using the product. If you had sat behind him during these hours it would put a whole new perspective on the product and let you understand better why he gave the opinion he did.
I could only find one problem that the user mentioned in the original post (content showing up on all pages). I provided a resource that would help them resolve this problem. It is always best when you have a problem to describe the problem and ask for help in resolving the problem.
I find it disturbing that a user would come on a site run by the company and tell other users to not buy the company's product based on a few hours of working with the product.
The OP may have a legitimate opinion based on the lack of time working with the product. I do not dispute this.
I do not like snow. It is cold and wet. This is a legitimate opinion but someone who enjoys skiing may disagree with my opinion.
turtleI find it disturbing that a user would come on a site run by the company and tell other users to not buy the company's product based on a few hours of working with the product.
From what I've seen dealing with online customers I find this pretty normal. You can sell a thousand products and all with good reviews but there will always be that one. Had they talked to you face to face I guarantee that 99% of responses would be quite different. Many people quickly write something in anger and sometimes regret it. I see this weekly and it's probably the worst thing about my job. Anytime I have an unsatisfied customer I quickly give him/her a call. Everything usually changes when they actually talk to a person.
turtleThe OP may have a legitimate opinion based on the lack of time working with the product. I do not dispute this.
Well we don't know his background experience but like you said, the product should be easy to work with for the beginner. Hopefully we can still learn from the "make you feel bad" feedback and at least try to see how the user sees things. It can only benefit the product.
turtleThe biggest issue new users have is that they want
to make the program more complex than it needs to be. You need to keep
reminding yourself that the product does everything for you,
PS. We really haven't seen much about the website creator here on the forum, besides a few other bad reviews. Hopefully some good reviews will come soon here on the forum.
This is from Corels own page for CWC:
Create web pages quickly and easily-without HTML or web coding.
So is this not misleading??? It seems as if you want to just bash the hell out of me for stating what I clearly stated was my own personal and biased opinion. If it makes you feel better then go ahead. Otherwise, you seem to miss the point that you are refering me to Net Fusions, help files, which is not Corel. Therefore you are telling me to seek help someplace other than Corel. You also want to assume, I have only 16 hours with this software. Not true, I've have spend approx 30 hours to learn how to use this software and so far have learned only that Corel doesn't know how to use it nor do they offer any support. In fact, the manager for this software himself ( i'm assuming it's was actully him, as it the e-mail was from his e-mail address) is the one that advised me to purchase the Net Fusions 11 book as he admited that Corel doesn't have any support for the software.
As far as how many hours I've spent designing websites, I'd guess I have only a couple hundred hours. It's not my full time job, I do it to get a site up and running and if those I do it for want something done by someone with more experiance, then so be it. I am however doing one for our homebased business, so maybe you can understand why the number of hours I've spent and accomplishing nothing is so bothersome. As far as your assumption that I turned my nose up at your advise, how the hell do you think you are??? I have not turned my nose up at it. I haven't had time to view the site. I plan to, but I believe we are on opposite sides of the planets, so think before you accuse. Your statement of click a few icons and do some drag and drops is what I'd expect to hear from somebody that is intent on selling thier services, it says nothing about how to setup the page, which I have obviously done wrong as I'm getting everything on all my pages. As far as making the program more confusing that it needs to be. How can I make something that is offered with no support, an online only manual, help files that are useless. Also have you even looked at the manual for this software. If it is such a great and powerfull HTML generator, why is so much time, spent on telling you how to do your own coding???????????
As far as snow, I personally love it. It's the cold I don't like, but I don't hold that against the snow. I know for there to be snow, there has to be cold. I accept that. With software, I know i'm not a guru at using it. I do expect to be able to make something positive happen and expand from there. This is not the case with Corel Web site Creator.
I did not write this in anger, I do not regret it. I have spoken to tech support and was advised they couldn't help it was to new of a program. I e-mailed the project manager and was told to buy a competators book due to the fact this software is only rebranded. Net Fusions stated they would not even think of offering any type of tech support as it wasn't thier software.
Yes Net Fusions has gotten good reviews on their software, that is why I choose to buy the book on how to use the software, and give it another try. So far, big waste of time and money.
As far as a face to face, I'd simply asked you to sit down and show me how it's done, Corel can't and won't do that, and as far as a phone call, do you actully think they'll take the time to do that??? Please, they won't event post on this thread.
As an operator of a business, I know you can not please everyone, you can try, but it can't always be done. There does come that time, when you have to say, I'm sorry, I can't make you happy, please take your business someplace else. This happend from the start with Corel on the web site creator. Plus have you noticed how may suggestions have been made to go to Net fusions help files?????? Does this make any sense??????? To me it screams we have you money, no go away, we dont' really care.
The description of the product you posted seems spot on to me.
I don't think anyone has bashed you in this thread so far.
All I tried to do was point you where you could get some help. I am sorry that you feel that you do not want to take advantage of the resources that are available for this product but that is your decision. You only listed one problem (content showing up on all pages) and I gave you a link to a resource that would resolve this one issue. Here is the link again if you want to resolve this problem: http://www.gotfusion.com/tutorials/tut.cfm?itemID=382
The suggestion that you purchase a book on the software was a very good suggestion.
If you want a tutorial on how to start a web site with the product you can go over this tutorial: http://www.gotfusion.com/tutorials/tut.cfm?itemID=4069 Understand that this tutorial is VERY BASIC and does not cover everything you can do but it will get you started.
I think if you work with the product a little longer you will enjoy what you can do with it. As with any new software product it takes a little while before the light bulb goes off and it all falls into place.
In reply to silvershoes:
As this is your only reply, how do you think you were helping????? The 16 hours were only this weekend, it didn't include, nor did I reply I only had 16 hours experiance with this software. In reqards to the manual, I have it open and trying to follow it, so far nothing positive. My attitude, I'm at home, if you don't like it, I DON'T CARE. My killing any desire to help, whats your point. I've not recieved any help. Only links to websites that say they can offer help. Then your nasty A$$ comment I've turned my nose up at it. Not true by the way, I haven't had time to view them. So if you are going to help do so, if not, then do what every you do. In either case, get your facts straight.
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