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X6 Color Settings For CMYK Printing?

Does anyone know the ideal color settings for exporting .jpg and .eps files for CMYK printing? The default X6 settings result in rather washed out looking exports (both on the screen and on the prints). Black looks very dark grey etc.

Never had this issue with X3 but I understand that X6 uses a totally different color engine so I figure I just need to know the correct settings.

Thanks for any help!

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  • howiegoo
    Does anyone know the ideal color settings for exporting .jpg and .eps files for CMYK printing?

    The first ideal settings is: NEVER use EPS nor JPG for CMYK printing.  The best settings are native CDR or PDF X/3

    howiegoo
    The default X6 settings result in rather washed out looking exports (both on the screen and on the prints). Black looks very dark grey etc. Never had this issue with X3 but I understand that X6 uses a totally different color engine so I figure I just need to know the correct settings.

    Really, not, both versions can have very similar, X6 is far superior since include all the X3 features and a lot more. 

    The key for CMYK offset printing is the paper. You must use some color profiles, each one according the kind of paper. ie for Coated paper, you can use Fogra39 or ISO Coated v.2, for cardboard, ISO Coated v2 300%, for common paper Fogra27 or ISO Uncoated Yellowish... Unfortunately, is not possible to have only one universal color profile, it was also impossible on other programs or older versions. 

  • Interesting. Thanks for the input.

    Lets forget about printing for the moment. Lets try this instead. Do you know the correct X6 color settings for producing crisp, vibrant, "black is really black" CMYK .jpg exports on the computer screen?

    My problem is that everything I'm exporting from X6 using the default color settings looks dull and washed out whether it's on the screen or on the printer. What I see on my screen is virtually identical to what comes out of the printer (Roland VP-540) except for out-of-gamut colors of course. We've had a tech look at our color settings in VersaWorks (the RIP software from Roland) and he says everything is correct so I'm pretty sure it isn't a problem with VersaWorks. I've also tried exporting on a couple of different computers at work (one is Windows XP and one is Vista) and even used the trial version of X6 on my laptop (Windows 7) as a test with the same results.

    X3 exports on those same computers (except my laptop, no X3 there) are crisp and beautiful with no out-of-gamut colors. X6 exports are dull and faded all around.

    Any ideas about what I need to change with my X6 color settings? Does anyone have a screenshot of their color settings they might share that gives them good results?

  • Here is an example of what is happening. Look at the black border. In CorelDRAW it is blacker than the inside of a cow. After the export it is no longer black. I used Photo-Paint to get the numbers you see in the image by hovering the eyedropper tool over the black border.

    http://www.neoncranium.com/X6_Export.jpg

  • In reply to howiegoo:

    howiegoo
    My problem is that everything I'm exporting from X6 using the default color settings looks dull and washed out whether it's on the screen or on the printer. What I see on my screen is virtually identical to what comes out of the printer (Roland VP-540) except for out-of-gamut colors of course. We've had a tech look at our color settings in VersaWorks (the RIP software from Roland) and he says everything is correct so I'm pretty sure it isn't a problem with VersaWorks. I've also tried exporting on a couple of different computers at work (one is Windows XP and one is Vista) and even used the trial version of X6 on my laptop (Windows 7) as a test with the same results.

    Then, you're talking to print using a plotter, instead a CMYK offset printing. That's very different., no only because Roland plotters use 6 colors instead 4, the ink is liquid and the entire environment is different. The CMYK Black is transparent, so if oyu use only CMYK the correct result is not a "dark black". For this reason, on commercial offset printers, usually never use only pure black for a background, usually it adds at least 40% of cyan for have a darker black. 

    If you want to send a file to the plotter, perhaps you will have better results using RGB instead CMYK, because your printer is not CMYK, and you can take advantadge of a wide gamut (the Roland plotters allows more colors than the CMYK). But, if you send a CMYK file, don't use a color profile for offset. 

    howiegoo
    X3 exports on those same computers (except my laptop, no X3 there) are crisp and beautiful with no out-of-gamut colors. X6 exports are dull and faded all around.

    The next question is to ask what color profile do you sue on X3 and what color profile do you use on X6. Obviously, your'e using different settings on both. Don't say "I use default settings" because there're several default settings on both versions. ie if you're using Perceptual intent on X3 you must use the same on X6. On X6 you will have some other options that are not available on X3, such as "preserve pure black", useful for offset but if you send to a plotter you must disable it. Same about to use only black for the gray, with your plotter perhaps is better to disable this option 

    The next step is to ask about how to export for Versaworks (EPS, JPG, etc) and if you're embeddding the Color Profile on the Export dialog. If you embedd the right color profile when export you will have the exact colors you want. 

  • In reply to Ariel:

    Ariel
    Roland plotters use 6 colors instead 4

    Ariel
    because your printer is not CMYK

    I assure you the VP-540 only uses 4 colors. Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black. Unless I'm misunderstanding something (I'm sorry but your posts are very hard to read) you seem to think I have a 6 color printer? That is not the case.

    I get the colors I want from the screen to the printer. My problem is that even before I import anything into VersaWorks the image already has the wrong colors on the screen immediately after I export it from X6. In other words, forget about the printer. Pretend I only asked how to get accurate colors on the screen while still using CMYK colors in a .jpg export. Smile

    When I say "default" I mean I installed X6 and did not change anything with the color settings. I do not know how to set up the colors (I know where to do it I just don't understand the huge pile of options I'm looking at) which is why I am here asking in the first place. You seem to want me to answer my own question but I wouldn't be here asking if I already knew the answer Big Smile

  • In reply to howiegoo:

    I figured it out with Ariel's help. When he mentioned profiles it got me to thinking.Big Smile

    I loaded in the icc profile for the vinyl we primarily use (VCammVP540_VWorks_Orajet3651G_MAX_720.icc) from the profiles directory in C:\Program Files\Roland VersaWorks\Profiles into CorelDRAW X6 and now my export colors are what I would expect.

    Thank you again Ariel for pointing me in the right direction!

  • Sorry, never tried, but thinking to use it, does it not work with standard RGB?

  • In reply to howiegoo:

    howiegoo
    X3 exports on those same computers (except my laptop, no X3 there) are crisp and beautiful with no out-of-gamut colors. X6 exports are dull and faded all around.

    At www.graphictechnology.com I have a color management combo book deal for users versions of CorelDRAW X4 and older and X6.  I use a Roland solvent printer all the time and many digital devices and in my opinion while loading the Roland ICC profile may have achieved the single goal you wanted in the long run it will compromise the compatibility of your files..

    To answer many questions I need regional knowledge of you location and to be honest X4 and older versions of CorelDRAW used such a unique method of color management and had many non-ICC compliant settings that a proper coordination can require quite a bit of discussion.

    The X4 and older book is 90 pages if I could have explained color management for those version in fewer page I would have, the combo book is perfect because to set X5 or X6 to work for you as closely as X4 and older versions you really need to understand what the setting in the older versiobs were doing.

  • In reply to David Milisock:

    As Ariel said there is no universal color management for printing but I can say that with my settings I have NO problems printing wide format with 4 or 6 colors, offset printing etc. The only case in wich I change the settings is for different tipes of paper. We send files for prinitng to several companies with different kind of printers and there is no problem with the color. It's perfect!

    I think you have to look at printer color management and the profiles for the media you print on. I worked for several years in a company for wide format printing with 4 and 6 colors printers /plotters and the correct printer profile for each media is the key for a real color.