Sub Test() Dim s As Shape Dim s1 As Shape Dim s2 As Shape Dim t As Text Dim f As TextFrame Dim d As Document Set d = CreateDocument Set s = d.ActiveLayer.CreateParagraphText(2, 2, 5, 5, String$(750, "Z")) Set s1 = d.ActiveLayer.CreateParagraphText(5, 5, 8, 8) Set s2 = d.ActiveLayer.CreateParagraphText(8, 8, 10, 10) Set t = s.Text ' Link the frames together. t.Frame.LinkTo s1 s1.Text.Frame.LinkTo s2 ' Get the first frame. Set f = t.Frames(3) MsgBox "The index number of the previous frame is: " & f.Previous.IndexEnd Sub