From time to time I'm asked to create logos and I do it using CorelDRAW. But when I present them to my clients I do it only the old 2D way.
I would like to go beyond that and start to use those nice, sophisticated mockups with which one can apply logos to different surfaces, like business cards, walls, etc.
I found this tutorial where the guy uses Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop and talks about "Smart objects" while dealing with mockup layers and stuff.
How to present your logo with mockup. Adobe Photoshop tutorial
If I get those tutorial files, is it possible to get the same results using PP '17? If possible, how? Are there "Smart objects" equivalents in it?
FYI I'm a newbie to this program. I use DRAW most of the time and PP only occasionally for simple tasks. I tried to find clues from the tutorials available through PP's welcome screen TNA. TIA.
no need for PP or photoshop. It can all be done within draw.
So you can do this in DRAW alone?▼Where can I find these textures in DRAW?And how much time does it take for you to get all these fine details (wall wood, lights and shadows, etc.)?
Photoshop is uncomparable to PhotoPAINT.PhotoPAINT can only do the basics of Photoshop. Only. The price tag has a lot to do with it too.Paulo, the illustration you show can very well be done in CorelDRAW. but nothing is automated, like mockups. Everytime, you will show a new design, they will always be different. Those mockups are now so popular that, even though the job is clean, no creativity comes from it. The originality of the logo designs fades away because constant same design we see everywhere.Like mentioned, nothing is automated in DRAW.I do this 3D manipulation EVERYDAY with CorelDRAW. It's pretty elaborate though. But with practice, it becomes easy and a routine.
I understand that one can do almost anything in DRAW as to realistic imagery, but it takes talent, time, and of course the program's available resources. And even at an intermediate level of skill with DRAW I know I can import textures, add extrusion, perspective, shadows, etc.I also know that using such popular mockups is not a "creative" approach, but my point here is just to know if PHOTO-PAINT can do what Photoshop does with that kind of PSD mockups. Which BTW brings this interesting question: are there mockups like these in the CPT or other compatible formats?
Based on the message about losing the styles in layers and the "leveling" thing (if it's the right term), maybe I can ask someone who has Photoshop to do that "leveling" for me, so I can try in PP with the "corrected" PSD file. My first thought (and hope) is that then I will be able to follow the easy steps the guy showed in his tutorial. That is, just replace the mockup logo with mine in just a few clicks.
I'm sorry. I think Adobe programs will try to do all their best to make their files as uncompatible to competitive software as possible. I don't use Photoshop at all. I don't know if it's possible to 'break apart' a smart object. I think you'll have no choice but to actually purchase and learn the related program to do what you intend to do.I don't want to get started on insulting anyone. Please don't take this personnaly, but I'm sorry, Paulo... I am insulted. Just sharing my thoughts...Concerning you mentioning needing talent, time and knowledge of the program to realize what you need to do... why would anyone, having none of the cited required skills to become a professionnal artist, designer (name 'em) want to improvise himself as one? Please tell me it's for personnal use...PLEASE DO!Why would anyone want to become a professionnal designer If he or she didn't have the required talent and knowledge... uh... why...uh? Because a computer does it automatically? Just one click and everything's done? He can't just come up and bump himself in the lane of many years of practice, talent, perseverence, schooling and hard work to take away opportunities (careers and contracts) from the ones who actually have gone though that path.It's like I was to sell my services as a professionnal plumber without knowing heck of the trade, asking for automated tips and tricks to accelerate my productivity to be able to keep my rates low and extremely competitive. If anything goes wrong, how would I understand it? I haven't done anything but learning shortcuts and automated procedures.Like I said... Just thoughts... No harm intended.
Stephan, sorry if somehow I seemed to insult you, it was not my intention. Maybe it's because of my English, but what I intended to say is that I have intermediate level skills with DRAW and that I am starting to learn a bit more about how to use PP.
As to the use of aforementioned Photoshop resources, mockups and stuff, I was basically saying that I'd like to use them to present logos I'm asked to create sometimes. It's not that I don't want to learn more and develop my skills, it's just that I want to experiment with those resources.
And if I decide to use them to present my work to clients, well, let's agree that it's no crime, right? You see, for time and money saving and project needs many design, advertising, TV and movie professionals purchase fonts, templates, mockups, and stock photos, videos, and film footage. Why? Because of their needs!
Anyway, if I'm trying to learn more and more, I think it's OK to explore possibilities and, most important, ask people who know more for help. What is clear for me now after all your answers here is that PP has no resource to compete at the same level with Photoshop as to that mockup/smart object stuff, and it would be just great if it had!
Besides, what if, after experimenting and learning, I could come up with a Corel SCRIPT or macro that would let me do what I want in a way that could be akin to Photoshop's?
FYI I've been working in advertising since 1980. I started in the art department (pre-computer era) and after some years I chose to become a copywriter. But once in a while I still do some artwork, illustration and stuff. Should you want, please check my portfolio on Behance. It's originally in Brazilian Portuguese, but you can get an idea of what I've done and do.No harm intended too.
My comment has been well understood but might have sadly hurt you. That was, not at all, my intention and I'm sorry for that. Nevertheless, this message is still, in my opinion, relevant. Sorry to say but if the hat fits...Computer designing technology has evolved at an incredible speed! It's overwhelming! For designers that spent almost all their years praticing, working hard, studying, etc... The computer designing industry (Adobe, Autodesk, Corel, Serif, etc) has come to create extraordinary computerized designing tools to ease, enhance and increase the speed of our creative workflow. We are now in awe and almost laugh at the time it takes to deliver work that used to take hours, days, weeks to deliver. Now exist shortcuts and unbelievable tools that can increase our productivity to an unimaginable level!Sadly, these new technologies bring up a competition of unexperienced, unprofessionnal, untalented designers that wish to attend the same professionnal results without going through the unevitable, necessary steps of schooling and practice just by using these formentioned shortcuts, mockups, presets, etc. Or simply asking: "Video tutorial?"; "How do I do that?" You have NO IDEA how much this happens to me. Although it's very flattering, it's annoying that I always feel like a cheap shot inside. I usually like to help and share my knowledge, but noticing the level of knowledge that these artists are at, I sadly judge and realize that it will be impossible for them to understand the slightest maneuvre they would have to do to acheive what they ask for. It would also take up too much of my time. I have clients to answer to.Although I absolutely love working with CorelDRAW, PhotoPAINT, I do realize that they've been surpassed by competitive software as to 'designing tools'. Maybe some here will mention the professionnal 'technical' properties for output purposes, Corel is hard to compete with, but for creating images, we're at a level of the year 2006 or so. No really impressive, productive 'designing' tools have popped up out of this program. I jealously notice new incredible tools from Adobe and wished I could have them in Draw or Paint. After waiting so long I guess it will never happen. Tools like, for CorelDRAW: 3D warping, perfected Extrusion tool (same as in Corel 9.0), lighting effects, better responsiveness of artistic brushes, etc, For PhotoPAINT: Puppet warping, perspective cloning, ligthing effect, new effective bitmap effects, etc... And that's just me!!!Of course, mockups can be a huge plus, but I don't appreciate the fact that other designers can come up with almost the same designs as mine.
I understand and basically feel the same as you about all that. But the way you answered and your choice of words in some of your answers... Why not simply answer technically about the topic? Why rant about all that with such words? Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's not a simple matter of "if the hat fits". It seems to me a matter of judging before knowing.
FYI I draw freehand since I was six or seven, I attended drawing courses, I worked with illustration and artwork in advertising agencies (where I created some logos), worked as an illustrator also for NGOs and other entities—check my porfolio for some pre-computer era samples I could keep. During my 60 years, I've read (and spent considerable money on) a plethora of books about fine arts, drawing, design, etc. Back in the 1980s I graduated in Social Communication (BA in Advertising). Then back in the early 1990s I knew the CorelDRAW suite when working as a copywriter in an advertising agency and started to learn more about DRAW (for almost obvious reasons) and a bit less about the other tools in the suite. That's to mean that my whole life I tried to learn the more I could to improve my skills, and that's what I keep doing now.
So it's not that I am someone who is trying to "bump himself in the lane of many years of practice, talent, perseverence, schooling and hard work to take away opportunities (careers and contracts) from the ones who actually have gone though that path" as you said. As you can see, I myself have come a long path all these years, studying and working hard, therefore I think I'm not one of those "unexperienced, unprofessionnal, untalented designers"—I have a background to prove it.
Anyway, I'm here to learn. When I have questions, I first try to get answers from the makers of programs, their documentation, etc. If—and only if—I get not enough information from these sources, I ask for help on forums like this one. This is coherent with my wish to learn.
I'll repeat myself: I'm here to learn. If someone has the time and will to answer and enlighten me about my questions, great! It will help me and probably others, which I think is the main goal of these forums.
As to the original subject of this thread, I already have the answers I needed, thank you all.