After all these years and updates, CorelPP STILL does not support text borders/stroke?? I just don't understand why not. Every version I keep hoping, but always get dissappointed. Now X4 comes along and still nothing. Photoshop has supported this feature for years, but why can't Corel keep up? It seems to me that they focus all their efforts on CorelDRAW and for CorelPHOTO-PAINT, they just go in and change the icons and call it a day. Maybe I'm missing something and just can't find this feature hidden somewhere (wishful thinking, I'm sure)??
For a few years now to simulate this effect I have to go into DRAW and create a text object with a border. Then copy it. Go into Photo-Paint and create another text object. Then paste the DRAW text object into the PP text object and see how it looks. If the border is too thick or too thin, then i have to start all over again. But if the border is good, then at least i have the ability to alter the letters in the text while still keeping the effect which is good. But it seems to me that if I can mimick the effect in PP, why can't Corel simply implement it into the software fully and give us the ability to change the border thickness and color right there within PP?
Don't get me wrong, I love the Corel products and prefer them over Photoshop and Illustrator, but I wish that Corel would listen to its customers and fix the current problems and if at all possible, match many of the features of the Adobe counterparts.
What do you guys think?
Ok, so it was a little exhaggerated for me to say that all they do is change the icons, but when you compare the new features between DRAW and PP, you can clearly see which one got more attention. And this happens on nearly every single release of the product since I can remember (I've been using the Corel Suite since version 6.0).
I realize that we need to speak up as a group for Corel to hear us, but for things like text borders, this should have been implemented about 4 versions back! I would love to hear how many people who actually use PP frequently ever wanted to give their text a simple outline and realize that they can't. And then you scratch your head and say, "but you can do it in DRAW, why not PP?". And yes, I realize that they are 2 different animals in the sense tha one is vector and the other is raster based graphics, but the need and possiblity is still there. I remember seeing this simple feature available in Adobe Photoshop back around version 6 or 7 (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Adobe is Corel's direct competitor, so shouldn't Corel be watching what the competition is doing?
Believe me, I'm not this angry person just bashing Corel. It's quite the opposite. I love the Corel products and just want to see them succeed. It just frightens me that with every release, they are getting left farther and farther behind Adobe.
Corel, please don't make me switch to from CorelPHOTO-PAINT to Adobe Photoshop...please!
Concept211 said:Am I crazy for requesting such a feature? I feel like I'm being attacked for such a simple request
I have no idea if you're crazy, but if you're in graphics it will help if you're a tad touched. I don't think you should be attacked for the request. I would add that if your request is granted then add full feature text editing in the image editors both photo-PAINT and Photoshop because they are just plain bad at it.
I never wanted such a request since using Draw since the mid nineties (I believe) maybe earlier with the direct link between Draw and Photo-PAINT it has been so fast for me to create any text and or text effect I wanted and quickly convert it seamlessly to an image for web that I ignored the text features in PS and PP.
To make the text features of either program useful for me one would need to rewrite the text features completely from the ground up.
Wow...what a wonderful user community we have here. "A tad touched", huh? All I have to say is thank you for making my mind up to fully embrace Adobe and its ability to provide new and improved features with a user-base that doesn't resist change and/or improvements. Within seconds, I was able to create the effect that I wanted in Photoshop without the use of Illustrator or any other secondary software (and it's dynamic...meaning that the text, border thickness, color, etc can be changed at any time within the same program):
Hi Concept,
The answer to your question is really to use CorelDRAW. It will do everything you are asking and so much more, with far more overall flexibility. When you are done with your design, export to any bitmap format you want, at any DPI, and any pixel dimension.
Consider this: I estimate that moving to Adobe means you will have at least $100,000.00 less in your overall net worth at retirement. This is due to the relatively unproductive environments you will be forced to use, relative to Corel's. You will get waaaayyyy more billable work done in Draw/PP in the same amount of time.
I'm the senior designer at 2 printing shops in my City, and freelance to others too. I LAFF and then LAFF again at those who think Photoshop is an ideal environment for preparing text for printing - or for text anything. You see, being delusional about the best tool for a job isn't a crime... it's only unfortunate.
If you want to become rich as a graphic designer, CorelDRAW is working for me. It can for anyone who pays attention to the features and starts using them. As an Adobe user, I would only survive, no matter how "good" I got.
Concept211 said: All I have to say is thank you for making my mind up to fully embrace Adobe and its ability to provide new and improved features with a user-base that doesn't resist change and/or improvements. Within seconds, I was able to create the effect that I wanted in Photoshop without the use of Illustrator or any other secondary software (and it's dynamic...meaning that the text, border thickness, color, etc can be changed at any time within the same program):
All I have to say is thank you for making my mind up to fully embrace Adobe and its ability to provide new and improved features with a user-base that doesn't resist change and/or improvements. Within seconds, I was able to create the effect that I wanted in Photoshop without the use of Illustrator or any other secondary software (and it's dynamic...meaning that the text, border thickness, color, etc can be changed at any time within the same program):
Hi Concept,I work professionally as an illustrator in old Sweden in Europe, and I have my wishes for features also, but to "leave" a software out of one simple feature, I question if you really is here in this forum, in other affairs than to just plainly downtalk CorelDRAW Graphic Suite. Before I go totally out on the conspiracy trail, I dont understand how you can get angry like you did. Foster even said he agree with you on a specific issue. I used to work with Photoshop 5.5 back in the days, and there were so many features and workflows that made me to go over to work with the CorelDRAW Graphic Suite instead, but not just one simple feature like a text handling as you mention. If its arleady possible to do, via CorelDRAW and open the file in Photo-Paint, with a few steps. Really, I say it in a freindly way, but it sounds similar to how Jey Leno joked about people who are healthy but still dont open the doors if there is a button to open it for them: "how lazy are we in this country" he asked very funny. Its about getting the job done, and I can promiss you that when you work with Photoshop there WILL BE features and issues you will really get mad about. I respect your choice of software, but tell me you have to throw a software out of one simple thing that you still can make.If I would think like that in my daily work as an illustrator with a deadline, hey, thats having to little to complain about.
I hear all of you very loud and clear and I understand your points. Like I've said before, I'm not angry at the software or Corel or even all of you. I suppose I expected a different reaction than what I received. Actually, I didnt even expect much of a reaction at all. I just wanted Corel to hear my needs...even possibly, a comment or two stating "yeah, that feature makes sense and I'd like to see that implemented as well." Instead, this thread turns into a huge discussion as to "why can't you just follow these 6 to 8 steps instead" type of answers. Yes, I understand that it is possible to do it in an inefficient way, but why not ask the developers to mimick the same functionality that's already available in their other program (DRAW).
I think another reason for dissagreement here is due to the fact that most users appear to be print designers. I'm a web designer/developer first and foremost and print work is secondary for my line of work. I completely agree with everyone 110% that print work SHOULD be done in DRAW...no doubt about that. But if you consider that the majority of my work involves 72dpi raster graphics and I'm constantly working in PHOTO-PAINT, I don't think I should have to go into a seperate program just to accomplish such a simple effect. And it's not about simply creating that effect one time. It's about being able to alter and tweak its settings at any given time to make thing efficient and less time consuming.
Yes, it is ridiculous to leave a product after so many years for one single feature. There have been many other issues that I've had with PP that I wish it would support and it is just frustrating to look over at Photoshop and see those features already available many versions ago, while new versions of Corel come and go and PP is barely touched.
And as for vector work, I believe DRAW is fantastic. It does have its short-comings as far as some features and especially filter effects go when compared to Illustrator, but I think just the way DRAW handles the abilty to modify and create node paths is much better designed.
Again, I didn't mean for this post to turn into one of such controversy and anger. I just wanted one of my requests to be heard and to see if Corel would give a little more attention to PP as they do to DRAW.
Concept211 said: Again, I didn't mean for this post to turn into one of such controversy and anger. I just wanted one of my requests to be heard and to see if Corel would give a little more attention to PP as they do to DRAW.
Otherwise this feature is a good suggestion!
lol...Alfred, I thank you for agreeing with me that the feature is a good suggestion and would not hurt the software in the least bit, but rather improve it. I also thank the others who have given suggestions as an alternative to the implementation of this feature. However, in my very first post, I mention that same alternative right from the start. I was just stating that if we can mimick the effect in several steps using 2 different programs, then it shouldn't be too difficult to recreate the same functionality within PP alone. But that's besides the point now. I've explained it so many times that no one wants to hear about it anymore. And no, I know no one gives a $hit about me switching. I suppose I let this whole discussion get the best of me. I did, however, want to show that the feature has been there in Ps for a long time now and it's a wonder why PP hasn't kept up to speed over the years. I apologize for coming off nasty in this thread...again, that wasn't my intent. And thank you to all who tried to help.
Nothing wrong with bitching a bit, good to have you around! You'll see, this is the best bunch of people you have never met.