Hi,
Using the Object Manager is a pain!
I wish to click on and item and immediately it will zoom to that object and group it then I want to rename the object.
Please implement this on the present upgrade for X7.
Thanks
Ariel said:sometimes there's a "hidden" object, sometimes as part of one group, and if you select each object using the Tab key is not easy to see it.
This is a situation that I've never experienced. And if I attempt to use the object manager where you see a little generic shape it would seem to be really time consuming and difficult to find the generic shape in the object manager that matches something in the art. If that were the best way of doing it, I would never use that software. It's too slow.
CorelDraw allows you, via key modifier to select the objects below other objects, and also to lock objects. If we are using these options very well, then it will be faster I think than going into object manager, and looking back and forth from the art to the object manager trying to find an object.
In Adobe software there are all these key commands and key modifiers that allow you to move very fast through the art. In later versions of Adobe software, Adobe began to add features for people who are actually mousing around and not taking advantage of key commands and modifiers. I thought it was strange but I understood later. I thought, why would I use any of these new things that require me to use the mouse when I'm already doing it much faster with key commands and modifiers. But for people new to the software, the mouse is how they're doing everything. I think the expanding object manager is this kind of feature. For people who are mousing around. They are unfortunately working much slower than they could be working if they actually learned to use all the key commands and modifiers built into the software.
KuttyJoe said:CorelDraw allows you, via key modifier to select the objects below other objects
Really, there's no need to modify or create shortcuts: hold Alt and select an object below. Or use the Tab key for navigate between objects, and Shift+Tab for navigate on reverse order. That's what I do always, but some user like to use the Object Manager, and I respect teh workflow of other people 8not all people should work on the same way, and I don't believe to better than anybody). But, from my personal point of view, the main concept of the Object Manager should be different. I believe that Corel should merge the Page Sorter View with the Object Manager, in order to view and manipulate pages, and view and manipulate layers on each page or across pages. Something similar to the InDesign and Quark page manager, allowing to edit layers at the same time. Also, allows to apply a Master Page to each page or remove Master Page from selected pages
Ariel said:Really, there's no need to modify or create shortcuts: hold Alt and select an object below.
"holding Alt" is what's known as a key "modifier". My comment was about using key modifiers vs object manager. Alt is one of those key modifiers. And suggested that using key modifiers was a faster way of accessing objects than digging into the object manager. I did not say that it was or wasn't. I'm asking the question and saying that so far, I believe that key modifiers allow for a faster workflow. But I see you're talking about how people "like" to work so there's probably little reason to go on with this discussion with your lack of logical reasoning. Only logic matters and what a person likes to do does not mean that it makes them faster or that it is easier.
KuttyJoe said:"holding Alt" is what's known as a key "modifier". My comment was about using key modifiers vs object manager. Alt is one of those key modifiers.
Sorry, I misunderstand you, therefore, but both have the same idea
KuttyJoe said: Myron ust seems that because design schools teach adobe most are taught that you have to use multi layers. You guys have the craziest statements. All of you have a bone to pick not just with Adobe, but also with people who use Adobe software. Not only do Adobe users not know what they're doing, but even the schools that teach them. LOL
Myron ust seems that because design schools teach adobe most are taught that you have to use multi layers.
You guys have the craziest statements. All of you have a bone to pick not just with Adobe, but also with people who use Adobe software. Not only do Adobe users not know what they're doing, but even the schools that teach them. LOL
Not really. If you use Photoshop, each object is a layer, automatically. And that's right. You can group layers, merge layers, etc but the main concept is to treat each object as a layer. I it's not good or bad, just it's the way that the program works. And PhotoPaint and others have similar concept. But some users want to use the same Photoshop layers with CorelDRAW, and that's wrong since both programs works different. Even Illustrator is different than Photoshop, relative to the Layers. I notice several files where each object is places on a separate layer on CorelDRAW, and this is a conceptual error, but I hear more than one time: "I want to work like Photoshop". but since both programs are different, the best way is to use each program in the right way.
Phil1923 said:Hi Ariel, Ariel said, "-- If you use Photoshop, each object is a layer--". Er -- ah -- did you forget that PhotoPaint is identical. PhotoPaint just changed the name "layer" to "object".Phil
Thanks, Phil, I believe that i mentioned it but maybe I was not clear:
Ariel said:Not really. If you use Photoshop, each object is a layer, automatically. And that's right. You can group layers, merge layers, etc but the main concept is to treat each object as a layer. I it's not good or bad, just it's the way that the program works. And PhotoPaint and others have similar concept
Ariel said:And PhotoPaint and others have similar concept.
Jeff Harrison said: Ariel And PhotoPaint and others have similar concept. A thing I like about Photo-PAINT over PS is that it's easy to select something directly that doesn't span the whole document. Objects in PP can sometimes be a layer, but don't always have to be. This is more flexible and user friendly.
Ariel And PhotoPaint and others have similar concept.
A thing I like about Photo-PAINT over PS is that it's easy to select something directly that doesn't span the whole document. Objects in PP can sometimes be a layer, but don't always have to be. This is more flexible and user friendly.
There are two options on the toolbar in Photoshop that allows you to treat layers as "objects" the same as in Photo-Paint. One is called "auto select", the other is called "Show Transform Controls". If you check both, there's no difference between Photoshop and Photo-Paint in how layers/objects are selected. I think these options were added to Photoshop more than 10 years ago.
Also, your concept of a layer/object is incorrect. An object/layer are identical in both programs. What's confusing you is merely the way that they are selected. Notice the two attachments. This is the same document opened in both programs. If you turn off the two Photoshop options, you can still select objects/layers by Control clicking on them. Turn the options on, and you can select layers/objects by clicking on them, without using Control, and you won't see the selection handles. Of course, pros don't use the selection handles. I even hide them much of the time in Illustrator. I prefer the very clean look of working without the clutter of anchor points, visible paths, and selection handles, as much as possible.
Your post is one of the reasons I tell most people that they don't need Photoshop of really any Adobe products. Image editing for me is either simple for sign work and high end color correcting for (mostly) print in Europe so I have no use for it.