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Adobe is coming up with new service call Adobe Creative Cloud whereby you can pay to use the software whenever you need to use the software. Monthly subscription required-around US$ 50 per month. My main question to the users of Corel and all die hard fans of Corel is how this will effect the users and artists of Corel world? Will new artist jump to use Adobe instead of Corel? What are the strength and weakness of cloud service? And strategically lets guess what would be Corel next move? I think this would be fun. What say ye?
DIGITALGRAPHIX said:My main question to the users of Corel and all die hard fans of Corel is how this will effect the users and artists of Corel world?
I haven't been a die hard user of Corel Draw in many years though the last version I upgraded to was X5. I knew at that point that X5 was the end of the line for me. But yeah, I'm all over the Creative Cloud option. $50.00 a month to have access to not just the handful of program that I typically use, but ALLL of them. I can now, at my leisure look into programs that I would never have bothered to care about since there was no possibility of me buying them. For $50.00 a month, I get everything, plus Adobe services, plus updates. It's a no brainer.
Obviously, a lot of people who went with CorelDraw just because it seemed like a cheaper equivalent are going to now go with Adobe because it's the default package.
DIGITALGRAPHIX said:What are the strength and weakness of cloud service?
The Cloud service at this price is all strength, no weaknesses. The previous subscription service was not happening. Like, they must be crazy. Now they've reduced the price of the whole thing to the cost of just one program from the previous subscription. LOL Adobe has seen the writing on the wall. There are a lot of upstarts out there doing interesting things. I personally began using Serif DrawPlus more and more because it truly is a wonderful little vector program for under $100.00. This move will be painful to the little guys. Adobe is Walmart and the other guys are "Johnny's Neighborhood Hardware". I was personally doing my best to not depend so heavily on Adobe because the cost to play is very high. That's how I got to using Serif DrawPlus.
DIGITALGRAPHIX said:And strategically lets guess what would be Corel next move?
There next move is the same as their previous moves for the past 12 years. Not much. Look at Corel's website. Would you get the impression that CorelDraw is among their more important products. Look at CorelDraw Suite and ask the same question. Look at Photo-paint. That program has been abandoned for a solid decade. Look at the X6 update. Photo-Paint got what 1 update? And everything new in CorelDraw is copied from old Illustrator features. Corel didn't even change the name of the tool in one instance. Same tool, same name, same function. X6 by and large copied from Illustrator.
Yes, it's a tragedy that the only company that could have really given Adobe something to worry about just doesn't have what it takes to compete against Adobe. Adobe allowed a lot of others to have a toehold in the business because Adobe was so expensive. But not anymore. Still, I think a lot of people will balk at just the idea of a subscription. I personally also don't like it. I like the idea of buying something and being done with it. But this is too good to pass up. Every update cycle I have to give serious thought to whether or not I will update. For my personal use, I only updated every other update cycle but I have access to the newest releases via my job so I didn't worry about getting behind. Now I will stay current across the board. You even get access to both Mac and PC versions of all of Adobe's software.
KuttyJoe said: And everything new in CorelDraw is copied from old Illustrator features.
And everything new in CorelDraw is copied from old Illustrator features.
You gotta be kidding me right?
I doubt that Illustrator will ever be the equal of CorelDraw if in fact it ever was. Adobe has neglected Illustrator in much the same way as you say Corel has neglected PhotoPaint. To each their own though. It's just another rehash of the Ford Chevy thing.
As for the Cloud Service thing - give it some time - I'm sure there will be a glitch or hidden cost of some sort.
Dan
Terremoto said:You gotta be kidding me right?
Of course I'm not kidding. Visit Corel.com and look at the "what's new" section and everything they thought was worth mentioning is taken right from Illustrator. In some cases, they didn't even change the name. In other cases, it looks like they copied the way Illustrator laid it out graphically.
Start with Corel's new Color Harmony. That is a perfect rip off from Illustrator although it is more like a small subset of Illustrator's very deep implementation. But it is exactly the same and even visually looks the same. Illustrator has had that since CS3 I believe, possibly CS2.
The new Creative Shaping vector tools, all copied PRECISELY from Illustrator. Not similarly but exactly.
The new Twirl tool in CorelDraw is called..."Twirl tool" in Illustrator. It does exactly the same thing.
The new Smear tool is called "Warp" in Illustrator. It does exactly the same thing.
The new Attract tool is called "Pucker" in Illustrator. The function is identical.
The new Repel tool is called "Bloat" in Illustrator. The function is identical.
Those things are all identical copies.
Terremoto said:I doubt that Illustrator will ever be the equal of CorelDraw if in fact it ever was.
Well, you can visit the Corel.com and see for yourself what I just said. If you think CorelDraw is better than Illustrator, that's fine with me. I'm only pointing out the obvious. Corel copied the crap out of Adobe with the X6 release so obviously Corel think more highly of Illustrator than you do. It's probably worth mentioning also that the 1 new feature in Photopaint is copied from Photoshop too.
Terremoto said:Adobe has neglected Illustrator in much the same way as you say Corel has neglected PhotoPaint.
Back in the 90's you could have said that and it would have held plenty of water. That is ridiculous to say now. Illustrator has been steadily adding amazing features since Illustrator 8.
There are many things that CorelDraw can do that CS6 Illustrator STILL can't do. In many cases CorelDraw can accomplish the same thing with a lot less mouse clicks and hunting through cascading menus.
Try designing something big in Illustrator. Say 250" x 250" - oops, you've exceeded the limit of the artboard. What's with that? Makes things a pain in the rear in a sign shop where many of the projects exceed Illustrator's artboard limits.
Tweaking and refining bezier curves in CorelDraw is a piece of cake. Total pain in the rear with Illustrator. You'll go nuts just trying to get a hold of the nodes / control points / control handles. Want to know how I know? I've used both and I've found that I can be considerably more productive with CorelDraw.
Multiple pages in CorelDraw = nice! Juggling layers in Illustrator = nightmare.
I'm afraid, KuttyJoe, you've come to the wrong forum if bashing CorelDraw is your aim.
I could go on and on but I need to get ready for quitting time.
The Adobe cloud and the new upgrade policy is great news. The fat cat has got arrogant.It will alientate users and they will be looking at jumping ship.
There will be more competition and opportunities for other software companies to produce new products. Lets hope Corel understand this and invest in PP fully. Maybe even consider investing in Ventura.
Hywel
You are right. I have created huge books in DRAW. I know how painful it is to deal with a complex book jobs in DRAW. So Corel surely needs to think about investing in Ventura. I may think of renting an Adobe software in case I get an order for another such huge and complex job. I am very unhappy with the layer management that has changed since X4. Though I agree that there are few good things introduced in it but it has made my job even worse. I still prefer X3 for jobs with complex layers and heavy text.
hywelharris said:Maybe even consider investing in Ventura.
The same problem i had faced too when it is of huge books. Only it delays or lags while working with paragraphs often i fear of that struck. Afterwards pointer moves. Do not Know exactly. Moving from one paragraph frame to other is somewhat fear to me since it reads and halts. Hope it will be renovated.
Why do you think so? They've kept their old licencing model in place as well, offering this only as an alternative. Price is sweet, if they are smart they will introduce even cheaper fees for smaller CS packages (since 49.99 now buys you Master Collection which is $2500 as one-off).
I honestly believe Corel should consider this model, and consider it seriously.
You also don't look at it from a starting small business perspective. This is perfect in such case since you can replace large up-front cost with a reasonable monthly fee and if your business is slow or you're not viable, it would take you, what, four years to be down the $2500 you'd have to churn out up front with the standard licencing model.
I can't see any value in intagible CAPEx -- software licence is an asset that's a *** to resell, and in many cases (not sure where Adobe is on that) you're not even allowed to.