hello,
when I open an object without outline (just 1 object, a line as a fill without any outline) from an AI file and open another CorelDraw document with a similar object and choose both, then CorelDraw says in the status bar that the outlines are different/multiple. But there is not outline in both cases :) and when I choose them one by one, it's correctly shown as such in the status bar.
I don't really care about this but wonder whether this could be just the sign of a real problem when continue working with those?
thank you
(the file has no color profiles embedded because it is too large to upload then, but the issue is also there when profiles embedded)
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I don't have to imagine getting Illustrator drawings with compatibility with Draw issues, I've been doing this 3 decades.
I like everyone else who chose Draw had to make a decision.
I could deal with the compatibility issues (which as file complexity increases becomes more difficult) and use CorelDRAW as our only software.
I could based on my volume and profitability of incoming Illustrator files support Adobe products by purchasing the software as well as CorelDRAW.
We were an output/manufacturing company that needed graphics as a core element of our process. At first, (1992) I kept a Mac and Adobe alongside my CorelDRAW on Windows. All Mac files had an additional $50 fee. By 1996 I eliminated support for the Mac.
I maintained my Windows systems with CorelDRAW as my main platform and supported Adobe thru CS 5.5, incrementaly moving my Adobe clients toward taking full responsibility for providing print ready PDF, all Adobe files had an additional $50 fee, with the increasingly downward quality of Adobe files I raised my base fee to $75 for Adobe files.
Architectural imaging and archival print required RAW camera file support which I added through Corel AfterShot Pro and other RAW converters.
With the change to subscription Adobe CC, I dropped all native Adobe application support, only accepting PDF and TIF files for output without additional fees which were $100 per hour.
The PDF TIF file for output was around mid 2013 and continued in full production until I semi-retired in 2021 and in a more stringent manner thereafter.
I now take RAW files, PDF and an assortment of image files.
As you can see for awhile I had to support both Adobe and Corel, as Adobe users became less profitable I dumped them.
Unfortunately there is no one size fits all answer, I'm profit driven and self motivated so Adobe and its users didn't fit well.
Thank you - I will use CorelDraw as well because of many reasons. That's why it is interesting to know where CorelDraw has this hidden information about an outline that has 0 in size, but CMYK "in memory". CorelDraw has to know this or learn this somehow, but how?
Perhaps there could be a macro choosing automatically with the select tool all those fillings where CorelDraw knows already that there is a hidden CMYK.
So as said above I would like to write only about CorelDraw about this issue, not Adobe. Of course the file comes from Adobe. But isn't interesting that CorelDraw has some "hidden knowledge base" about the outlines and how to reach it?
At this time you're most likely to have a safer path for cross application conversion than we did in the 90's and early 2000's. At that time soft proofing was not nearly as stable as it is now. In those days many RIPS would preview fine and then fail at output. We had to produce hard proofs which added cost to the project.
Using macros or not the success of a cross application process many time requires longer term stability in terms of the application version of both the source and destination applications.
The use of macros exacerbates the issue as many times macros are not stable between updates. I never used macros on any regular basis.
However if one is exchanging simple vector and raster content it works. As one moves to basic postscript level 2 & 3 transparency (flattened in postscript 3 devices) this can get dicey and requires significant testing and documentation.
If you move into true PDF output (live transparency) I have never found any reliable solution.
Thank you again, it is great to learn. But as said this issue can just happen always, not only when importing a file from any other software. Imagine you create a totally new CorelDraw document. You create a lot of objects for weeks, initially as CMYK. You create and change a lot of outlines, also to CMYK zero back (no outline). Then one day the color mode has to be changed to RGB in the CDR, and all objects also. Ok, you're doing this. But after you changed all the objects for many hours you notice that some fillings without outline still have a hidden CMYK outline (no outline defined).
What would be the best approach to find the hidden CMYK outlines in this RGB document? Set an outline to all objects in the document and then try to find? Probably the best solution.
This issue cannot happen in native CorelDRAW files as it did in your example, (that is an Illustrator to CorelDRAW issue), you cannot have a hidden CMYK outline nor a hidden RGB outline. Once you have an object is has to have a fill or an outline. It may happen if you send a CDR file to Illustrator I have no idea.
Test this, create objects and export to PDF or EPS, without a fill and outline. You can create the object with no fill or outline save it as a CDR file and another user can open the file and the blank bounding box will be there, but it affects nothing. You can export an object with a fill and no outline and an object with an outline and no fill but nor without both. I believe in Draw you can hide an object bit not a single aspect of an object, you can hide an object with no fii and no outline and it shows in the objects docker as hidden.
With a native CorelDRAW file, Draw will always display in the status bar the color of any native object, fill and outline as long as it has not been hidden. If you have an outline, it has a color, same for a fill. You can have an object with no fill or outline, but the status bar reflects that also, it will not output nor export to a press standard PDF, it is functional as an object to be filled, outlined or otherwise edited in CorelDRAW only
For example, you create a RGB filled object with a CMYK outline. That will show in the status bar, if you recreate the same object and reverse the situation, a CMYK fill and an RGB outline those colors show when the object is select in the status bar.
If you select both object the status bar shows objects with several fills and objects with several outlines.
If you need to change entire color models for a file explore the color styles docker functions and the find replace docker. You'll find what you need.