Hi Everybody,
Is this a serious problem or a bug.
Many mid to high level cameras do not embed a profile. They simply give the name of the color space in the EXIF data -- usually either sRGB or Adobe RGB. For Adobe RGB, that saves bout 500 Kb.
So here's the "problem" or "bug".
CDGS has chosen to ignore the EXIF data both on both OPEN and SAVE.
Before I realized what was happening, I would occasionally take a shot in Adobe RGB if the scene looked colorful. It always came out looking a lot duller on the monitor.No kidding. Photopaint assumed that it was in sRGB. Photopaint never realized that the shot was in Adobe RGB.
I still avoid taking photos in Adobe RGB. I'm not about to carry a notebook with me to record the color space of each shot.Photopaint should get its act together on EXIF data.
Then again, crashes and missing CPT thumbnails are a much bigger issue, I have to use CDGS X6. I'll probably pass on CDGS X8. Who needs the aggravation for almost nothing in return.
Phil
I'm not there to see your camera so I do not know but I've never seen a camera that would allow captures in more that 1 color space that would not embed profiles. I'm betting your camera embeds profiles. In a color managed process embedding profiles is a must. Adobe RGB is 560 bytes not 500kb.
EXIF data is not the place to embed a profile as image editors would not look there to see it.
Depending on your default CM settings once the image is opened it may already be too late.
Photo-PAINT under the file menu document settings shows EXIF data for a JPG I opened.
After reading up on this EXIF data I want it stripped form my images.
Hi David,
Well, explain these two different warnings from Photopaint and Photoshop. (The color management default settings were identical.)
I'm not interested in the EXIF data either.So what ??A good many photographers want to see it. The PSP photography group specifically asks that it be included. Roy has repeatedly asked for it.
Why does CDGS go out of its way to strip it out of the file. The reasons for stripping it out given by Tony Severenook are incomprehensible.Are you pushing to keep it removed just because you and I don't use it.Phil
Let's add to the confusion.
1. I Assign sRGB for the "missing" profile.
2. I Convert to Adobe RGB (1998)
3. I SAVE the file and ensure that the profile is embedded.
4. I OPEN the saved file.
WELL WELL -- ALL IS HUNKY DUNKY --
Photopaint recognized the embedded profile.
So how come it warns that there is no embedded profile on the initial OPEN.
That happens all the time.
The top is the missing profile dialog from PP. As you can see it says the profile is missing and that the default APPLICATION profile is sRGB. It allows you to (by selecting the drop down) to ASSIGN any profile loaded on your system. The document when opened will be in the color space you selected, you need to make sure the embed profile check box is selected when you save.
If you know the image is in a different color space then the APPLICATION DEFAULT and you want to work on the image in application default color space, you ASSIGN the color space to the image you believe it to be and by checking the box convert to the default color profile you can perform a proper conversion to the APPLICATION default color space. You will need to make sure the embed profile check box is selected when you save.
The bottom dialog is the mismatched profile dialog from Photoshop, as you can see your choices are to use the embedded profile, convert to the APPLICATION default profile.
The third choice is a bit ambiguous, when you choose to discard the embedded profile (do not color manage) what happens is not an un-color manage situation, Photoshop cannot operate without color management so it strips out the embedded profile, it assigns the APPLICATION default profile and allows you to embed a profile upon saving.
CDGS does not go out of it's way to strip out the EXIF data, after some research it looks as if the EXIF format has never been compatible with the CPT file format and in fact the EXIF format has serious issues, a lack of standardization, errors in bit depth reporting and security flaws. It also has not been updates for many years,
I'm not pushing to have it removed, I always use CPT file format for my working files and that strips it for me.
Unknown, it could be something in the JPG format. Was the image straight from your camera? Was it opened and saved in Photoshop?
If it was a file from Photoshop, what version and what build?
I ask this because there was a known issue with some past versions of Photoshop JPG files. Adobe issued a fix but I can't remember what version and that it was only with their JPG files.
I believe I my have seen this once or twice with camera JPG files but not for several years.
Phil1923 said:THAT'S A BUG IN PHOTOPAINT
Maybe I need to test PS and PP on my systems, please send a file straight from the camera to davidmilisock@graphictechnology.com
Phil1923 said:You're giving Corel the wrong impression by constantly saying that you have no use for EXIF data.
No I'm giving Corel my impressions I don't need EXIF.