Hi Everybody, -- BRING BACK THE OLD COLOR MANAGEMENT DIAGRAM !!!!!! --Yes. I know:1. It had a few small bugs.2. You had to understand color space and profiles to use it.3. It was a steep climb to learn to use it. But you could set just about everything in color management with it.
The present dialog is no better than just accepting the default Windows color management. So far as I can make out, all that you can set at present is the profile that will travel with the document. The old diagram let you set profiles for monitor, scanner, printer, etc. You could even choose your working space. You could set the printer profile so that it gave feedback on what the printer would create. The monitor then displayed what the printer would print. At present, the monitor blindly accepts the document's color space and blindly runs it through its own profile. The monitor itself could also give feed back to the color engine on whether or not it could display the colors in the document. You knew by which arrow you clicked on whether and where profiles would be embedded, assigned or ignored. etc. etc.I will even give up on getting Dr. Cowpland back if I could get back that old color management diagram. It was brilliant.
Phil
Phil all of those functions are in the program. Printer profiles are selected in the color tab of the print dialog where they belong allowing a change on the fly if you want. Application settings in the default color management dialog. Document settings if you want them to be different than the application in the document dialog. Scanner profiles are assigned to the file after the scan.
The display profile is picked up automatically from the operating system.
Soft proofing is available, however with it turned off CorelDRAW X5 through X7will display all colors in their native RGB, CMYK and Grayscale color spaces as set in the document color management dialog. In fact you can just set it and use it. Soft proofing of different color spaces can be set up and switched on or off at a touch of a button.
In X5 and newer spot colors are by default converted using the new Pantone certified LAB color space and older versions used RGB or CMYK, X5 and newer can be set to RGB or CMYK if needed.
BTW Phil again with all due respect you have no idea what you're talking about, the only thing in the old color management dialog that worked was the internal RGB, the display profile, the embedding ONLY OF RGB and the soft proofing kind of worked. Everything else like the scanner profile, WAS DISDUNCTIONAL. Believe me I wrote 4 books on the subject.
Phil1923 said:They all worked for me.
Unfortunately Phil if you thought all the features of the old color management dialog worked you and many others are under an illusion. Any bugs in X7 were not due to color management, while there were a few issues with color management in the early days of X5 they were worked out.
There are a few things to remember with the new color management.
1. under the ICC rules K100 will not print as solid black to non-postscript devices there are way to properly build files that avoid the issue all ICC compliant applications have this issue. Do no use the preserve pure black check box, if you do any CMYK images will convert in the print stream incorrectly, go to my web site www.graphictechnology.com and download a color palette for use in non-postscript workflows, it is a grayscale palette in 5% increments to use in black vectors.
2. when scanning you must assign the scanner profile to the scanned image, then use the file as is or convert it to the document profile. This is a great improvement over X4 and older, where to properly use a scanner profile you had to change the entire applications color space to the scanner profile before scanning, then convert to another color space for use, change CorelDraw back to its working RGB color space close and reopen CorelDraw .
3. when you start a new CorelDraw file and import an image, if you select edit bitmap before you have saved the CorelDraw document the image file will enter Photo-PAINT in the Photo-PAINT default color space not the color space it was in when it was in CorelDraw. So always start a new CorelDraw document, name and save the document before importing images.
4. The default rendering intent is relative colorimetric a poor choice for converting large color spaces into small color spaces I suggest perceptual rendering as it is nearly identical to the Adobe default of Black Point Compensation on and relative colorimetric rendering.
5. the default color management settings can open and import untagged images incorrectly, this is not a bug, you have ask the application to make a choice for you and have told it how to make that choice, unfortunately it can be incorrect
Phil1923 said: A mountain of words doesn't get through to me without a picture.
Unfortunately Phil that's your shortcoming, it may be possible that Adobe and Corel in terms of color management have outgrown you.
Phil1923 said: Perhaps your problem is that you do not understand diagrams.
I understand diagrams Phil I just don't want to have to close my working dialog and go back to them to make a change, color management must work on the fly.
Phil1923 said:Right there in front of your eyes is the entire color management system. Everything that you need for color management can be changed -- including the scanner profile -- from this single diagram
That is an illusion, for most changes one had to open the application the CM dialog make the change close the dialog and the application and then restart the application.
Phil1923 said:PS: Fraser, Murphy and Bunting share my opinion of Corel's old color management diagram in "Real World Color Management".
These guys didn't know anything about CorelDraw color management and I wrote then and told them, as you can se they wrote nothing else.
I do not agree with you I simply think that Corel color management has out grown you.