Hi Everybody, -- BRING BACK THE OLD COLOR MANAGEMENT DIAGRAM !!!!!! --Yes. I know:1. It had a few small bugs.2. You had to understand color space and profiles to use it.3. It was a steep climb to learn to use it. But you could set just about everything in color management with it.
The present dialog is no better than just accepting the default Windows color management. So far as I can make out, all that you can set at present is the profile that will travel with the document. The old diagram let you set profiles for monitor, scanner, printer, etc. You could even choose your working space. You could set the printer profile so that it gave feedback on what the printer would create. The monitor then displayed what the printer would print. At present, the monitor blindly accepts the document's color space and blindly runs it through its own profile. The monitor itself could also give feed back to the color engine on whether or not it could display the colors in the document. You knew by which arrow you clicked on whether and where profiles would be embedded, assigned or ignored. etc. etc.I will even give up on getting Dr. Cowpland back if I could get back that old color management diagram. It was brilliant.
Phil
Phil1923 said:The present dialog is no better than just accepting the default Windows color management. So far as I can make out, all that you can set at present is the profile that will travel with the document. The old diagram let you set profiles for monitor, scanner, printer, etc. You could even choose your working space. You could set the printer profile so that it gave feedback on what the printer would create. The monitor then displayed what the printer would print. At present, the monitor blindly accepts the document's color space and blindly runs it through its own profile. The monitor itself could also give feed back to the color engine on whether or not it could display the colors in the document. You knew by which arrow you clicked on whether and where profiles would be embedded, assigned or ignored. etc. etc.I will even give up on getting Dr. Cowpland back if I could get back that old color management diagram. It was brilliant.
Sorry, Phil, but... how can you say something like this? I know it's possible to use the X4 (and olders) color management with success... we do it for years. Most of the options of X7 are already present under X4, although unfortunately most users never discover it, just choose "professional output". Relative Colorimetric, Perceptual, etc. some basic features, are not used often. Most people just want to use "Generic CMYK" and when the printer ask for the color of the document, they don't know what that means.
But... you didn't notice the difference? For example, how can do you set the dot gain on X4? or you never realize about the dot gain? You didn't notice that you can store a different color managemente for each file. That means if you send a file to other user, it will have your color profile embedded. On X4 and olders, the color profile will change to the profile of the other user if you open the file on other computer.
Can you preserve Pure Black instead rich black on X4? Can you map gray to CMYK on X4? Can you change the Spot color definitions from Lab to RGB or CMYK? That's very important for Pantone convertion to RGB or CMYK.
Maybe the old scheme was more friendly, but unfortunately most users never understand it. So, it's not enough to add the new options. Most people never take care with the color profile, and only start using because X5 and newest bother them with questions about color management. I know, some people still don't understant the color management options, and still look for a "universal color profile" for all kind of documents. Unfortunately, this is still not possible.
For example, if you send to print an image to a coated paper, the result will be different than the same image using an uncoated paper (such as a letterhead or envelope). That means color will be different, and if the result is wrong, that means a lot of money lost.
Some things are only useful for printing or pre-press. For example, Barcodes or QR codes are usually RGB, then it will output on 4 plates when you send as CMYK. The "preserve pure black" option allows to output as black only.
Maybe a visual system will be better to understand, like the old system, although most Adobe users consider it childish. The scanner profile is not relevant, since the color profile will be embedded on the image.
Phil1923 said: A mountain of words doesn't get through to me without a picture.
Unfortunately Phil that's your shortcoming, it may be possible that Adobe and Corel in terms of color management have outgrown you.
Phil1923 said: Perhaps your problem is that you do not understand diagrams.
I understand diagrams Phil I just don't want to have to close my working dialog and go back to them to make a change, color management must work on the fly.
Phil1923 said:Right there in front of your eyes is the entire color management system. Everything that you need for color management can be changed -- including the scanner profile -- from this single diagram
That is an illusion, for most changes one had to open the application the CM dialog make the change close the dialog and the application and then restart the application.
Phil1923 said:PS: Fraser, Murphy and Bunting share my opinion of Corel's old color management diagram in "Real World Color Management".
These guys didn't know anything about CorelDraw color management and I wrote then and told them, as you can se they wrote nothing else.
I do not agree with you I simply think that Corel color management has out grown you.