Yani in building mode... he *** at drawing and as accuracy goes he needs a computer. A pencil snapper that can't draw a straight line. Lucky for the tools, like a laser level.
A router "look at those oh so cute joins"
So I did a month of homework and found a few things that are interesting and curious.
https://www.mozaiksoftware.com/
Every wonder how these kitchen companies do the software? Do they draw it up on Autocad from home grown templates?
NUP the whole thing is a package from shop front to shop back.
"Exports to Paperless Shop" It is a parts list but I suspect it includes billing components.
https://kcdsoftware.com/doors-plus/
If doors and drawers are your company’s specialty, KCD Software’s Doors Plus is a stand-alone, template design software to communicate with your nested based CNC router.
Hundreds of templates are included in the software like doors, drawer fronts and dovetail drawer boxes. It’s also easy to create your own one-of-a-kind custom templates. Parametric tool paths can be assigned for your multiple tool operations. Create your own custom libraries for doors, drawers, wine racks, fluted pilasters, valances and more for traditional and CNC manufacturing.
Doors Plus includes over 300 ready-to-use custom component templates. The order-entry system makes it easy to enter your custom items and modify details on the fly. Doors Plus gives you more custom product capacity, flexibility and efficiency than ever before.
What's interesting is the narrow vertical market and the end to end nature of the software.
Sign manufacture has moved that direction about a decade ago. Hand held computer guided gear you just need an SVG file and a printer.
Computer aided routing tables have been used in sign companies for over 30 years. Our company started using them in the late 1980's. We recently bought a new 5' X 10' Multicam table. Full service custom sign companies still have to design lots of items from scratch and fabricate at least some of what they build in-house. I do not feed our routing tables clip art merely grabbed from some library of pre-fab sign designs. The only things I get to re-use are standardized signs for a company with multiple or many locations. I'll also re-use and modify items like electrical section detail drawings of things like channel letters when a city's sign code require those kinds of drawings to get an installation permit.
Some bottom feeder sign companies will hire anyone with a pulse to try to do design work. But to productive or actually good at the job sign design does require some real artistic talent and design sensibility, not to mention a grasp of geometry. A clip art library of pre-fab signs isn't going to bail out someone with no talent.
Wholesale companies who manufacture items like aluminum extrusion cabinets have their own semi-automated setups to mass produce parts. They'll have libraries of computer files they re-use like the templates Yani mentioned in his post.
As for hand-held devices, none are replacing full fledged PCs any time soon. I do own and use an iPad Pro (with an Apple Pencil), but it is a niche device to supplement design work. It's great for on-screen drawing tasks, but it falls short as a full-blown computer. Our routing tables, digital printers and channel letter return machine are all connected to regular desktop PCs. It may be technically possible to drive those things using a portable tablet or even a smart phone. However, that invites the user to leave the routing table unattended, which really isn't a good idea. S*** happens.
I think Bobby miss3ed the point completely.
"As for hand-held devices, none are replacing full fledged PCs any time soon."
I get it because I've seen them before.
Computer driven hand held router... it's a pretty hard thing to imagine if you haven't seen it before.
https://youtu.be/HBzPs0CRyfU
Yani said:I think Bobby miss3ed the point completely.
No. I didn't. David said the sign industry is moving in the direction of these hand held routers. That's not true. A device like a Shaper Origin may be great for doing wood-working tasks. But in a commercial sign company that kind of device is not a substitute at all for a real routing table and software to completely control the router bit along the cutting path as well as the plunge depth.
My post was insufficiently detailed. My sign vendors are moving toward devices that are software and also task specific. As an example the vendor who only does light weight channel letters, cloud signs and the graphics they require. I have one that only mixes custom paint colors and will paint materials. One does only water jet cutting now. We may have 30 different vendors.
Then there's the vendor who put in the hand held cutter for spot jobs. When his cutting tables are busy he can use it to make repair stuff. For some reason there's a few nearby malls that have there over hangs out a bit far and the trucks like regularly smashing a letter or two.
What is designated as a sign is a broad definition. We have moved entirely toward only manufacturing custom signs and what I call sticker work.
Due to downward pricing demands we buy everything else, stick built rectangles, squares circles, what some call cloud signs, all channel letters and variable data signs.
HANDS DOWN all these signs can be manufactured and delivered to me, either to the job site or our shop for less than I can buy the material.
Variable data has become such a PITA due to (IMO) necessary regulation and downward pricing I won't discuss them with clients except for mall monument signs.
I'm just channel surfing and up comes Grant from BlackMagic flogging software on a commercial station in paid advertisements for software they give away for free.
That's not normal behaviour. He must have some particular reason for spending money building market share for something that is free. Are such adverts appearing in the US? It's got the smell of building up to list the company.
Was it on television? If so I didn't see it I only stream commercial free, run dvd/blu-ray or crank out music.
I just got a Fluence turntable for our vinyl and I working on replacing our real collectable vinyl with CD.
Yeah 10 or CBS on the home shopping channel. I thought I was dreaming when that popped up. Maybe targeting advertising agencies that build that crap?
If he was going to list would it be in Aus or the US?
I think he is up to something. They made a lot of money last year and had no disruption to manufacturing.
A commercial with Grant doing the speaking role. It just seems a lot more about getting noticed than selling product that is free to start with. And it's Grant, he likes to get his ducks in a row. It was an ad for Resolve but it was so much more a credibility of BlackMagic adv.
They might be onto something here... "the wives of people that play the stock market watch the home shopping channel, butter them up for when the husband asks 'what do you think'".
The only adds I see are on precision shooting sites or some photography sites and I skip them.
The home shopping channel I only see when I'm at the VA, my God we need that thing to disappear!
Exactly
So anyway... I'm using SketchUp, pressing F2, F3... things that were perfect are suddenly split. "I better have a look at Corel CAD, I'm sure that must be a more familiar environment than this".
Does it have some familiar Corel Drawish qualities? Did I feel at home?
At $699 U.S. per license to get a usable version of the software is a bit steep for 3D modeling but it is with what it is.
I'm fairly sure Corel CAD is up there too.
I just checked CAD 8s $699.
SketchUp is $299USD.
Like I said, I can't be seen as a judge on this as I just don't normal touch 3D with a barge pole!
I can see what they were thinking from the promotional videos. Using Draw to create shapes that are messy to define in AutoCad.
Might have even been a major client making a special request.
Unfortunately, I think it misses the boat on any "take Draw users to 3D" level. SketchUp, I felt annoyed that I didn't know how to do basic things. CorelCAD, I felt totally out of my depth and couldn't even find a familiar friend in a pick tool.
Definitely SketchUp is more like Draw than CorelCAD. Both use the same engine.