hello,
when I open an object without outline (just 1 object, a line as a fill without any outline) from an AI file and open another CorelDraw document with a similar object and choose both, then CorelDraw says in the status bar that the outlines are different/multiple. But there is not outline in both cases :) and when I choose them one by one, it's correctly shown as such in the status bar.
I don't really care about this but wonder whether this could be just the sign of a real problem when continue working with those?
thank you
(the file has no color profiles embedded because it is too large to upload then, but the issue is also there when profiles embedded)
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The way I understand it is that Draw stores information about the outline even though an object may nothave any, and this hidden outline color information makes Draw show them as having "Several Outlines".If you select both objects and then simply assign a thick outline width to them, you can see that the upperone gets an RGB outline while the other object gets a CMYK black.I don't think it will affect your work in any way (if you remember to check if or when you decide to givethem an outline), but if you want to correct it you can select the objects, right click a color swatch to givethem the same color, and then right click the no color swatch.Note that objects can have different outline attributes that are invisible if the objects don't have any outlines,and these may not appear as "Several Outlines".Things like "Scale with objects" or different outline corners or positions, are not shown as "Several outlines"as long as the colors and widths are the same.
yes thank you that was a good hint. indeed it is in CMYK although created in Illustrator in a RGB file saved with a RGB profiel embedded and the other color is RGB. I also tried assigning an outline in Illustrator in RGB before and then removing it there again before saving. After all it is just as it is, the outline is "thought" to be CMYK.
Thank you - I will use CorelDraw as well because of many reasons. That's why it is interesting to know where CorelDraw has this hidden information about an outline that has 0 in size, but CMYK "in memory". CorelDraw has to know this or learn this somehow, but how?
Perhaps there could be a macro choosing automatically with the select tool all those fillings where CorelDraw knows already that there is a hidden CMYK.
So as said above I would like to write only about CorelDraw about this issue, not Adobe. Of course the file comes from Adobe. But isn't interesting that CorelDraw has some "hidden knowledge base" about the outlines and how to reach it?
At this time you're most likely to have a safer path for cross application conversion than we did in the 90's and early 2000's. At that time soft proofing was not nearly as stable as it is now. In those days many RIPS would preview fine and then fail at output. We had to produce hard proofs which added cost to the project.
Using macros or not the success of a cross application process many time requires longer term stability in terms of the application version of both the source and destination applications.
The use of macros exacerbates the issue as many times macros are not stable between updates. I never used macros on any regular basis.
However if one is exchanging simple vector and raster content it works. As one moves to basic postscript level 2 & 3 transparency (flattened in postscript 3 devices) this can get dicey and requires significant testing and documentation.
If you move into true PDF output (live transparency) I have never found any reliable solution.
Thank you again, it is great to learn. But as said this issue can just happen always, not only when importing a file from any other software. Imagine you create a totally new CorelDraw document. You create a lot of objects for weeks, initially as CMYK. You create and change a lot of outlines, also to CMYK zero back (no outline). Then one day the color mode has to be changed to RGB in the CDR, and all objects also. Ok, you're doing this. But after you changed all the objects for many hours you notice that some fillings without outline still have a hidden CMYK outline (no outline defined).
What would be the best approach to find the hidden CMYK outlines in this RGB document? Set an outline to all objects in the document and then try to find? Probably the best solution.
This issue cannot happen in native CorelDRAW files as it did in your example, (that is an Illustrator to CorelDRAW issue), you cannot have a hidden CMYK outline nor a hidden RGB outline. Once you have an object is has to have a fill or an outline. It may happen if you send a CDR file to Illustrator I have no idea.
Test this, create objects and export to PDF or EPS, without a fill and outline. You can create the object with no fill or outline save it as a CDR file and another user can open the file and the blank bounding box will be there, but it affects nothing. You can export an object with a fill and no outline and an object with an outline and no fill but nor without both. I believe in Draw you can hide an object bit not a single aspect of an object, you can hide an object with no fii and no outline and it shows in the objects docker as hidden.
With a native CorelDRAW file, Draw will always display in the status bar the color of any native object, fill and outline as long as it has not been hidden. If you have an outline, it has a color, same for a fill. You can have an object with no fill or outline, but the status bar reflects that also, it will not output nor export to a press standard PDF, it is functional as an object to be filled, outlined or otherwise edited in CorelDRAW only
For example, you create a RGB filled object with a CMYK outline. That will show in the status bar, if you recreate the same object and reverse the situation, a CMYK fill and an RGB outline those colors show when the object is select in the status bar.
If you select both object the status bar shows objects with several fills and objects with several outlines.
If you need to change entire color models for a file explore the color styles docker functions and the find replace docker. You'll find what you need.
David Milisock said:you cannot have a hidden CMYK outline nor a hidden RGB outline. Once you have an object is has to have a fill or an outline.
Yes you can.Create two objects and give them differently colored outlines (CMYK and RGB for example).Remove the outlines by clicking the "no outline" swatch in any palette.Select both objects and you will find that the Status Bar says "Several outlines".Give both of them an outline width and check each of them, and you will find that they are in fact different.Draw keeps the outline information even though an object no longer has a visible outline, also for objects created inside Draw.asterixx: The "easiest" way to make sure all objects get the same color model is probably to select all, add a specific outline color/color model, and then remove the outline again.Unfortunately this will also affect objects that should have an outline so it isn't the perfect solution.Jeff Harrison has a very useful macro at macromonster.com called SelectSame, that makes it easy to select all objects with the same attributes as a selected object.In short, select an object without outline, check "Outline width" and "Inside groups" in the dialog and click "Select all Similar".Add outline to all selected objects and then remove it.
God, if I do this your way it is as you say. Now I need to figure out what's in my work flow that has prevented me from getting caught with this.
Thank you very much! I will find a way to work with the relevant objects.