Hi all. I have a 13 of pages of paragraph text. The text fill is black (RGB 0,0,0) throughout. No pen outline. No graphics. However, the Document Palette shows four wells - none, RGB 0,0,0, CMYK100 and RGB 0,0,0 (again). I usually only have the 'none' well showing. I have no idea what the others are referring to. How do I find out?
Shelley
The Document palette is sometimes behaving a bit odd, and may for example show multiple swatches or colors that don't appear to be in the document at all.Possible that it works better in X7, but to be honest I stopped using it in X6 because it was of very little value to me since it was not working as I expected.
Haj, Ronny! Ok, noted. It would explain things.
Hi, Hugh. This doesn't work. I selected all text and changed it to blue, then back to black. A blue well then appears, even though the palette in not set on Automatic. I reset the palette as you suggest, but the blue well is still there. So, it's remembering what used to be there, which is pointless and annoying. I'm beginning to believe Ronny, at this point, that it's just buggered! I assume I've imported text with these other Black settings and it's just remembering them. If I cut and paste the entire text unto a new document, it cleans it up and I only get the None" well (and interestingly, it only creates 10 pages, not 13).
You'd have thought the history would add KB's to the file - but the new file is actually 3KB's bigger!
Shelly, the Palette Reset should work. This is the first time that I heard of that the palette does not clear to only colors of the objects. It may be time for an F8 reset.
F8? So, Ronny was right. OK, thanks, Hugh, but I think I'd rather set fire to Corel HQ and take the consequences! Too much customisation on the UI and life's too short to start again. I think I'll just live with it and wait for v20, my next update. Thanks for your help.
Shelly, I too, ignore the document palette. I have not found a true use for it.
FWIW, I have not paid attention to its behavior in X7 release of the Suite. So I am not aware of the misbehavior of it.
If you add a color from text, soemtimes you will find an unwanted color. For example, if you create a black text and change color to red, than add it to the Document Palette, we expect to add only "red" since the black is not longer used. But sometimes, the text add the black color anyway. And yes, you can have more than one "RGB black" although it seems to be the same.
Hugh Johnson said:Shelly, I too, ignore the document palette. I have not found a true use for it.
The use is relative to the job. For example, when I work with Mesh Fill, I need to use some colors on more than one instance. The color palette allows me to have the colors I need, what it was very difficult on older versions
Ariel said:The color palette allows me to have the colors I need
Ariel, I take your point, but what use is it if it adds colours you don't want and then can't get rid of? Besides, if I want a colour pallette, I can create a custom one. Yes, it's more time-consuming but it can then be used across other documents.
I found a solution - turn the Document Palette off!
shelley said:but what use is it if it adds colours you don't want and then can't get rid of?
I never understood the concept of document palettes at all I turn off the auto update feature and permanently close it.
shelley said:Ariel, I take your point, but what use is it if it adds colours you don't want and then can't get rid of? Besides, if I want a colour pallette, I can create a custom one. Yes, it's more time-consuming but it can then be used across other documents.
Not all people need the same features, since not all people do the same jobs. And also, not all jobs needs the same tools or features. So, it's good to have the option for choose the tools we need.
The Document Palette don't add color randomly. That only happens with some specific points, such as the text, since the text maintain the original although is no longer used and also can add the default Text&Graphics Style. For graphics that doesn't happens, but of course the Document Palette is not perfect. If you drag an object with outline and fill to the Document Palette it will add both colors, and maybe you want to add only the fill color, not the outline. Anyway, is not a big problem (you can delete the color is you want), but it's a big advantadge. spacially when you need to use the same color on different instances, on different pages, on fills and outlines. or if you want to add just a 10% or 20% of this color. Of course, if you enable "auto-update" for the Document Palette sometimes you will have too much colors and this is not useful. On older versions, several users asked for this feature although it was possible to create a custom palette
shelley said:Besides, if I want a colour pallette, I can create a custom one. Yes, it's more time-consuming but it can then be used across other documents.
Ariel said:The Document Palette don't add color randomly. That only happens with some specific points, such as the text, since the text maintain the original although is no longer used and also can add the default Text&Graphics Style.
Ariel, you say the Document Palette doesn't add colours at random, then say it happens with text. This is the point I'm making. Why is it remembering text colours I no longer use? What's the purpose of it? I simply want to see what's in the document - and nothing more.
Ronny, I accept what you say, but I'm still stuck with text colours I don't want in the Document Palette, which I can't remove, unless I'm misunderstanding you. Hence my solution to open a new colour palette, which, as you say, I can then add the document colours to.
Just for fun, I deleted all text from the document and all the pages down to Page 1 - and it still shows three black colour wells! What exactly is being 'remembered' here? And where is the information being stored? Any programmers out there?