At present, master layers must exist on every page in a document.
If you want a master layer not to appear on a page, such as suppressing it on the front and back covers of a multipage booklet, you have to implement a work-round -- such as blanking the master elements with a white rectangle. This may not always be convenient, especially if the page has an overall background tint or image.
A better idea -- by enabling a new "Flexible Master Pages" option (configurable "for the current document" rather than universally for a particular installation), the object manager will show the names of master layers on each page to which the layer can potentially apply.
Result: it could then be easy to turn a layer on or off on any given page, simply by clicking the usual display/print icons for that layer on that page.
Example:
On PAGE 3 I have turned off display and print of the Widgets Layer. Thus, the elements of my widgets layer will appear and print on pages 1 and 2, but not on page 3.
Having (hopefully)understood the above ...
The present layer attributes: Display, Print, Edit -- these continue to perform their existing functions
Enhanced attributes could include:
In the example, my "Borders Odd" layer has the ODD PAGES ONLY attribute and therefore appears only on pages 1 and 3. Similarly "Borders Even" appears only on page 2. I could nevertheless turn borders off on a particular page by removing the display/print icons for that page.
If I append two pages, then page 4 will initially be created to display and print the Borders Even layer and the widgets, and also to have a Layer 1 and a Layer 2. But above all, it will ensure that those layers are create in the front-to-back order as specified on the master page. Thus, my borders are guaranteed to be behind both layers but my widgets layer appears between layers 1 and 2.
A minor paradox occurs if a document uses layers with ODD or EVEN attributes and inserts an odd number of pages. Should the subsequent pages retain their current master pages, or should they be updated to ensure that the newly renumbered pages always have the "proper" master page? I think the latter is probably desirable, bearing in mind the likely intention of having odd/even master layers -- but the user should probably be warned what will happen, and be given the choice of inserting an even number of pages instead.
I agree, I believe that Master pages must have a great improvement for the next release. For example, allows to have disable master iten for the selected page, or to have "left", "right" and "blank" master page, and also, allows to start of any number (actually, all documents starts from 1). And, of course, must include the page numbering....
If the Page Sorter view was includes in the Object manager wil be easy to mode and rename pages. For access to the layers, just double click on the selected page. And of course, enable or disable the thumbnails, for a fast view..
I hope that at least some of those kinds of improvements will be included in the next release
Hi, Paul, you are right, but remember that for apply this option only for the selected page, you must go to the third icon, and disable the Master Page only for the selected page. If not, it will disable the Master page for all pages. Is not hard to find, but is not so easy.
have a nice day!
Ariel
Hi, Paul, you are right, but remember that for apply this option only for the selected page, you must go to the third icon, and disable the Master Page only for the selected page. If not, it will disable the Master page for all pages. Is not hard to find, but is not so easy. have a nice day! Ariel Ariel Garaza DÃaz Madrid, Spain arielgaraza.com http://community.coreldraw.com/forums/p/11710/47727.aspx#47727
Well at least your explanation helps me understand why anyone would like the X4 handling of layers. It just really annoys me that after entering a number of pages that you cannot enter a new master layer that will appear on every page with one command like previous versions. Frankly if I have to do master layers, I just use X3. How is something a master layer when it only appears on one page, by default? I don't get it. Why is this easier than creating another layer and putting the changing text on this layer and cutting and pasting from page to page?? To me the effort to do the activating of the "master" layer on various pages is no easier than pasting stuff on various pages on a regular layer. I just can't see the advantage of these so-called master layers.
<twodaytshirts> wrote in message news:47784@coreldraw.com... I just can't see the advantage of these so-called master layers.
I just can't see the advantage of these so-called master layers.
Now you get how it works don't try to fight it just change how you work to work with the program.
Why now just created 10 (or some likely number) master layers at the start and if you don't use them you can always get fussy and delete them later.
No doubt there is an opportunity here for a macro that establishes presets...
New (driver by macro) document
L+R pages ()
Additional Master Layers ()
Naming Layout (Cover, Inside cover, page 1, 2, 3... Index)
CM model
etc
Bring the lot together as a Starter Macro. Maybe use a template for some of the options. Mix the 2 concepts together.
Anyway it's just a thought. The big thing with Draw is to work the way it likes to work. (or any other app) Sometimes it takes a bit to get a handle on that. Even the beta team had to do some lessons to understand the new layers process. And some changes were made to it early on to make it more flexible.
I wouldn't be giving up X4 because of how layers work. The old way was very limited. You couldn't deal with any sort of L + R issue or separate masters for specific pages. It's worth making it your friend.
Look at that Jeff is on the case already. While I was typing even. ;)
Paul McGee said:Far easier than in any previous release!
Thanks Paul, that is indeed very useful. And to Ariel for explaining that the facility exists only in the layers view.
But Corel needs to update the help file when it introduces enhancements like this. The help file in X4 categorically states that master layers appear on all pages and thus completely fails to say where to turn them for individual pages.
As the saying goes, "the job isn't done until the paperwork is complete". Which in these days of electronic paper must include the help file as well as the used trees (though a quick glance at the index at the back of the manual suggests I wouldn't have found it there either).
I'll also go back to my original post, and ask -- with layers now being optional on individual pages, shouldn't the object manager be capable of showing those layers in the MULTIPAGE view?
That surely would be the simplest way of checking at a glance that a layer appears on the correct pages, and is probably also the most intuitive place for users to turn them off for pages where they are not required ?
I think corel developers need to work a bit more on the master pages, and page numbering etc. as i discussed ealier in the post also.
they need to give it a new look, something new!!
Oh in case you are using some other version X4 has all the layer improvements.
Hi Brian,
It's quite an old topic, but I still have some question about master page. I'm using CD X4 and I try to insert a page number that will change automatically on each page, is there any improvement for page numbering? I need ti publish it to PDF.
I've already read about some solutions like using the built-in macro or using a field from Print Merge. Print Merge could work fine but it is good only for repeatable page (tickets etc.) and then it works only if you use a Perform Merge for printing (it won't work when published to PDF); and macro is only good for a one-time use. But what can I do when I have a portfolio which is constantly being updated and pages deleted or inserted and I want my pages to be updated automatically during that process. Is there some auto-field option like in MS Word?
The field that would read current page position in document and could be turned on/off from the Master Layer.
Hi Harry,
I have become a little confused in here as to what each person is saying...but just so that you are clear on this...Master Layers can be turned off individually from page to page. I do it all the time. Let's say you add a master layer called Logo and you have a logo in the same position on every page...but you don't want it on front and back covers. Simply proceed as follows:
It doesn't get easier than that. Just make sure you remember to turn the Printer icons off, or your logo layer will still print even though you cannot see it on your monitor. Here is a quick tip for you if you didn't already know it: Clicking on F9 gives you a Print Preview. It is not just a full screen preview! It will ONLY show you what is going to print. Another thing you may not know is that you can arrow back and forth through every page of your document in full screen view.
Personally, I think the master layers are brilliant in X4.
Oops, I just finished typing this message and realised that Paul already said this (in far less words!! I can tell you are a desktop publisher, Paul) right back near the top of the thread.