Hi Everybody, -- BRING BACK THE OLD COLOR MANAGEMENT DIAGRAM !!!!!! --Yes. I know:1. It had a few small bugs.2. You had to understand color space and profiles to use it.3. It was a steep climb to learn to use it. But you could set just about everything in color management with it.
The present dialog is no better than just accepting the default Windows color management. So far as I can make out, all that you can set at present is the profile that will travel with the document. The old diagram let you set profiles for monitor, scanner, printer, etc. You could even choose your working space. You could set the printer profile so that it gave feedback on what the printer would create. The monitor then displayed what the printer would print. At present, the monitor blindly accepts the document's color space and blindly runs it through its own profile. The monitor itself could also give feed back to the color engine on whether or not it could display the colors in the document. You knew by which arrow you clicked on whether and where profiles would be embedded, assigned or ignored. etc. etc.I will even give up on getting Dr. Cowpland back if I could get back that old color management diagram. It was brilliant.
Phil
Phil all of those functions are in the program. Printer profiles are selected in the color tab of the print dialog where they belong allowing a change on the fly if you want. Application settings in the default color management dialog. Document settings if you want them to be different than the application in the document dialog. Scanner profiles are assigned to the file after the scan.
The display profile is picked up automatically from the operating system.
Soft proofing is available, however with it turned off CorelDRAW X5 through X7will display all colors in their native RGB, CMYK and Grayscale color spaces as set in the document color management dialog. In fact you can just set it and use it. Soft proofing of different color spaces can be set up and switched on or off at a touch of a button.
In X5 and newer spot colors are by default converted using the new Pantone certified LAB color space and older versions used RGB or CMYK, X5 and newer can be set to RGB or CMYK if needed.
BTW Phil again with all due respect you have no idea what you're talking about, the only thing in the old color management dialog that worked was the internal RGB, the display profile, the embedding ONLY OF RGB and the soft proofing kind of worked. Everything else like the scanner profile, WAS DISDUNCTIONAL. Believe me I wrote 4 books on the subject.
I do not agree with you I simply think that Corel color management has out grown you.
Hi Phil you are right, in corel x7 how would we do this? the screen shows such bright RGB colours that when it get printed its a completely different color, in previous colour management system you can at least see the the colours similar to what's gonna get printed, in Corelx7 you have to do a print preview every time to see it "You could set the printer profile so that it gave feedback on what the printer would create. The monitor then displayed what the printer would print. At present, the monitor blindly accepts the document's color space and blindly runs it through its own profile." .......Phil David if you have a solution to fix this pls let us know
dampy11 said:you are right, in corel x7 how would we do this? the screen shows such bright RGB colours that when it get printed its a completely different color, in previous colour management system you can at least see the the colours similar to what's gonna get printed, in Corelx7 you have to do a print preview every time to see it
That means that maybe you are using a wrong color profile. You can use one of the presets colro profiles (such as Europe PrePress or NorthAmerica prePress) and surely you will have a better images. Also, if you choose "Perceptual" rendering, the image will looks even closer. Of course, this change will fork for future files, if previous file had the color profile embedded, you shoulg open and change color profile to each document.
if you look your image of X4 color dialog, you're sending the ISO Coated v2 color profile to the monitor and printer, and use Adobe RGB for RGB color profile, that's exactly the Europe PrePress of CorelDRAW X7)
Phil1923 said:Hi Ariel, That still leaves us with the fact that all that the present management scheme can change is the document color space.
Phil, I just tried to help another user who has problem. Fortunately, it seems that it was solved. I don't understand why you're angry about it, I know, that doesn't change anything, and I didn't tried to change anything, I just tried to find an answer for a question.
btw "perceptual rendering intent" also exist on X4
Phil1923 said:Yes. I know full well that's all that Photoshop does. So what?
I didn't mention any issue about it
Phil1923 said:hat's a small fraction of the total color management system that is required to get a decent print.
The new scheme was tested several times and it works fine. The Microsoft iCM was developed by Heidelberg, a worldwide known provider for printing machines.It was tested under several printing worflows, including Agfa Apogee, Kodak Prinergy, Heidelberg Prinect, etc. On all test the program works fine. And those test were made by a lot of expert users all over the world (including "Adobe only" users). A lot of compnies around the world use CorelDRAW X5 / X6 /X7 everyday for their jobs, and all have "a decent print". Yes, it could be improved, and it could be better, of cours, but that doesn't mean that you can't obatain "a decent print".