Aligning to baseline grid

I have been creating a 3 column magazine using Coreldraw x7. There are many times that I have to align my body text to the baseline grid especially when wrapping text around images or objects. Text does align to baseline grid EXCEPT text in the first line of the second and third columns where the text hangs above the baseline grid line. See pictures below. Even after removing images and objects, aligning to baseline grid produces the same flaw.

Help me plz!!

BEFORE (picture above) and AFTER (Below)

After removing the Drop cap and snapping the text frames to the baseline grid .... no changes. (BELOW)

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MikeWe over 9 years ago

I haven't tried it. But if you bring the two affected text frames up to the baseline grid, does the first line then align?
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Heeren over 9 years ago in reply to MikeWe

Hi Mike. I aligned (by snapping) the text frame to the baseline grid and then tried the alignment to the baseline grid ... still no change to the space in the second and third columns. (I have posted a new pic in my thread in my thread)
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Heeren over 9 years ago in reply to Heeren

baseline.cdr

Ok it did upload. This file has the text frames unlinked and aligned to baseline. All is well thus far. The problem that started this whole mess comes in when you link the text frames. Try!!
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MikeWe over 9 years ago in reply to Heeren

Something is funky (perhaps) with one or both of the frames to the right of the first one. See if deleting them, drawing out two new ones, then selecting all three, from right to left, and choosing to link them fixes it for you. It does here.

Mike
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Heeren over 9 years ago in reply to MikeWe

Thanks for the dropbox idea mike.
I have a three column magazine which i design monthly from which i work from a template i created . I apply many formatting variables (drop caps, styles, lines, wrapping around objects, kerning, line height etc) to text and objects within the text. Something is causing corruption in the settings for align to baseline settings because i have on many occassions replaced the text frames. In my workflow i apply the align to baseline grid late in the formatting and only when i need to. So youre right about something funky or becoming funky ... will still try to identify problem
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Heeren over 9 years ago in reply to Heeren

UPDATE

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6inpr2wg4cq2agj/baseline2.cdr?dl=0

The file posted above is created clean and fresh. 3 text frames are placed. Here the important thing is to create the text frames using the text tool and NOT the rectangle tool and converting to a text frame as this consistently produced the flaws we trying to resolve.
Next I linked the text frames and add placeholder text. I then formatted the text, aligning to baseline grid, adding drop cap and styled. You will see that all is very well at this stage.
I created a green object (lets say it represents a blurb or image) and set the text wrapping to "straddle text".
Now please try and place the object into the text area. Try placing over column 1/2 or 2/3 or resize to fit into one column.

RESULT: the first line of the affected columns produces the flaw described.

I am now not sure if this is an align to baseline grid flaw, object or text management flaw. Hope this sheds more light.
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MikeWe over 9 years ago in reply to Heeren

Hello Heeren,

Thanks for the new file and work-flow.

The baseline is affected the instant an object with wrap precisely touches the text frame.

I don't use CorelDraw for such purposes (layout). I do know that in many/most layout applications that I use in the course of my work (4 across multiple versions of each), recycling layouts have gone corrupt enough one reads posts on the various forums. Though rare, templates (the better practice for new publications) have also been reported to have gone wonky from after upgrading application versions and using them.

I do note that a single frame with 3 columns does not seem affected no matter where an object with wrap is placed.

To be perfectly honest, I cannot imagine using CorelDraw for layout. It is counter-intuitive, nothing about paragraph control works like any layout application I have used since 1989, and the lack of baseline grid control (per frame, page, document) is something I would have difficulty dealing with. That all aside from being incredibly slow in such publications. I get it that many people do use CD for such publications and books even. But it (using a graphic design application) has to be about the slowest means of building a publication there is.

I hope Tony can find the cause of this weirdness.
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Heeren over 9 years ago in reply to MikeWe

Thanks for your insight Mike. Using a single text frame with 3 columns although not ideal is another workaround.

Yes CD is a design suite with basic paragraph functionality. Corel has long been saying this to the community members whom have had issues. My personal opinion is that if theres a market for development they would have invested a long time ago.. I have no squirms ago the competitors product either. They may be more mainstream but have their limitations too, just like CD. The trick is to know these limitations and your outcome will be more than satisfactory. I produce pretty decent publications of between 20 and 36 pages with no major issues in CD even my printer thinks im using the competitors package. Personally, I can do these publications a lot faster in CD and my customers are satisfied and my printer likes my business cause my files mostly have no issues, so maybe i differ in your opinion in this regard. I would like to see a version of CD geared for publication production ... This will heat up the market.

I will wait for Tony's take on this issue.
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MikeWe over 9 years ago in reply to Heeren

Using AI is even slower than CD for moderate length documents. I was referring to actual layout applications being faster. Most of what I do is document layout.

My hat's off to anyone who uses any vector design application for laying out publications.
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Tony Severenuk over 9 years ago in reply to MikeWe

Very interesting problem...it's pretty easy to see when using your examples so I had to go back and figure out why I couldn't duplicate it.

Your example has text that's inside a rectangle where mine I used the text tool to click and drag out the shape. If I do the same, and first create a rectangular container, and then put text inside it, I can duplicate the error on new text objects. To me, it looks like the first line is fitted to the baseline grid, and then the margin from the text frame to the graphic shape is added, which shifts the text down off the basline grid....the next line seems to pick up the baseline grid ok.

For now, if possible, use the text tool to click and drag out paragraph text frames and link those frames together...one thing I noticed is the blue arrows that indicate the text flow are drawn differently for text inside the shape rather than text inside a text frame...text inside the shape seems to draw the blue link arrows corner>corner vs. text inside paragraph frames draws it from the middle of the frame to the middle of the frame.

Thanks for sending this in and I'll be sure to send it along to our QA group.

Tony
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MikeWe over 9 years ago in reply to Tony Severenuk

Tony, I do use the text tool to draw out text frames. Still happens no matter what here.

Mike
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Heeren over 9 years ago in reply to Tony Severenuk

Hi Tony.
The same situation arises even when using the text tool.

I am in agreement with Mike on this one

Furthermore I noticed that when you use the rectangle tool to create a text frame, there is a padding that is created that could also affect the outcome. Secondly, whether frames are created with the text tool or the rectangle tool and the text aligned to baseline, the issue only arises again when the frames are linked. If you remove the linkage between frames the objects the all works as it should.
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