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Toby posted on Thu, Jun 18 2009 5:16

The whole approach of the programming team seems aimed at age around 11 years.  Draw is a complex and sophisticated suite and the programmers should remember that the users are likewise, experienced and sophisticated; simply they are not programmers. The new template system is a complete nightmare to manage.  How the hell does one get rid of a large selection of not wanted templates from "My Templates"  It's wonderful how there are NO instructions in what must be the most often used facility. Come on Corel you can do it a LOT better.  You are not selling this program to kindergartens, kids can't afford it. You are selling to professionals who have used it for years and years. Do you understand that ?

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katalin:

Hi Paul,

I really need your help since I am close to picking my last hair out as well. I have Windows Vista and uploaded the Corel Draw X4 yesterday and I do not find any templates. I went to the index options and I selected everything but still have no luck with it. I do not know what else can I do. Could you give me some detailed information? thank you

 

From the Windows 7 Help: (your OS may be different)

How do I add or remove index locations?The easiest way to add something to the index is to include a folder in a library. When you do that, the content in that folder is automatically indexed. For more information, see Include folders in a library.

You can also add something to the index without using libraries. To add or remove an index location:

  1. Click to open Indexing Options.

  2. Click Modify.

  3. To add or remove a location, select or clear its check box in the Change selected locations list, and then click OK.

    If you don't see all locations on your computer in the list, click Show all locations. (If all locations are listed, Show all locations won't be available.) Administrator permission required If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.

    If you want to include a folder but not all of its subfolders, click the folder, and then clear the check box next to any subfolder that you don't want to index. These folders will appear in the Exclude column of the Summary of selected locations list.

Note that more info can be found by searching the windows help files for "how to index search"

Also note:

Can I index my entire computer so all searches are fast?You shouldn't do this. If you make the index too large, or if you include system file locations (such as the Program Files folder), your routine searches will slow down. For best results, we recommend that you only add folders that you search frequently.

 

With the above in mind, I would suggest you only index the folder(s) that contain the templates. See my earlier post for the path containing the templates.

IMHO, I would say forget about the templates.. as others have already said, they are garbage for the most part.

And in closing, I did download ROMCat as suggested by Foster, and it is super fast at finding artwork. Thanks for the tip.

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Toby

I don't understand what kind of management you are looking at. In fact X4 Template management is with an added advantage of useful tagging system for your custom templates which helps in sorting, finding a template. Tags : Name, Sides, folds, Type, Industry and designer notes. I find it more convenient than earlier versions. The only wish I have is to have a Delete button, may be with double confirmation so that no template is deleted by error.

Toby:
The new template system is a complete nightmare to manage.  How the hell does one get rid of a large selection of not wanted templates from "My Templates"

It would be better if you could post your wishes here so that Corelians understand the users needs better and try to do it EVEN better.

Toby:
Come on Corel you can do it a LOT better.

In fact CorelDRAW is now also used by schooling children. Not the Kindergartern kids for sure but highschool students. The proof is the step taken by Corel Corporation in introducing "Home and student Edition of CDGS X4". Couple of months back, I came across a news somewhere in the blogs that Corel has offered software to then schools in Russia. These children will replace us (the self taught professionals) in future and I am sure will be better than us.

Toby:
You are not selling this program to kindergartens, kids can't afford it.

Anand

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Stockholm, Sweden
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I would also like to know how the Template dialog in Draw X4 is supposed to work. The state of it now just leaves me puzzled. Cansomeone please explain? And why don't my own templates appear there even if I have used the "Open other" button. Isn't this dialog supposed to keep track of the templates on the system?

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Lars. Don't like how the Template dialog works either (as a matter of fact I couldn't get along with it, with the result that I've stopped working with templates in X4), but I think the key was to make sure your templates folder is indexed by Windows. At least if you're running Vista.

/Ronny

“The ability to think differently today from yesterday distinguishes the wise man from the stubborn”
John Steinbeck

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Okay, that might be the answer. But I'll have to look it un in the Help file. It seems a bit strange that it relies in Windows indexing your templates. Do you have to keep all templates in one folder to make it work? Or can it keep track of them regardless of where they are stored, if they are indexed by Windows?

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Lars Forslin:
Or can it keep track of them regardless of where they are stored, if they are indexed by Windows?
I think they can be stored in different places, but I haven't tried.

/Ronny

“The ability to think differently today from yesterday distinguishes the wise man from the stubborn”
John Steinbeck

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Hello Lars,

a few comments from my perspective. The New from Template dialog box was developed to be able to display both the templates that come with CorelDRAW as well as the files you create (.CDT wherever you save them in your "My Documents" folder).And it is the second part that was the most important. Because we didn't want to force a user to save his templates in a specific folder, we wanted it to search for .CDT files wherever they are.

Instead of re-inventing the wheel, we decided to leverage what comes with the operating system, e.g. we are using the search engine built-in Windows and display the results in that window. On Windows Vista (and Win7 going forward), because is comes with a fast desktop search engine, the results are displayed very quickly. On Windows XP, the normal indexing / search engine is a lot slower, but if you install the "Windows Desktop Search" app (free download from Microsoft.com), you will get the same experience as Windows Vista.

Hope this helps clarify a little.

Gérard

Using CorelDRAW Graphics Suite X7.2 with Premium Membership, CorelDRAW Technical Suite X6 SP2 & CorelCAD 2014.5
on Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit  / Intel Core i7, 8 Gb RAM.

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Thank you Gerard,

I looked Templates up in the Help file and it confirms what you say. But what about the built-in indexing in XP? Is that usable? I must say I'm a bit hesitant to use the indexing or the Desktop search, because form my experience they slow your computer down considerably. At one time I used the google desktop search, but unisntalled it since it ate resources.

I tested the Templates dialog by putting "*.cdt" in the search field, and very soon the templates started to show up. But why don't they do that immediately? Why do you have to put in an asterisk in the search field for it to show the templates in the Program files folder? I mean it's hard coded to search there anyway. I feel this is a very clumsy solution and it could have been made more user friendly with just a little bit more effort.

What I would like to see is the templates showing up without you having to put an astersik in the serach field. And also that you could point the app to different drives and folders. That would do it to me, especially if Draw could remember where things were stored. to me it seems like quite a bit of overkill to have to index your entire hard drive just to find a few templates. Especially since the app finds the .cdt-files quickly once you point it to a folder. You could have like a few paths that were stored in some .ini file and then the user just select wich one to search in for that session.

I don't know but maybe if I had had My Documents folder on the C drive it would have found my own templates? But I have moved all my docs onto the D drive for safety/backup reasons (it's a RAID1 volume).

It seems like the app is supposed to remember where your own templates are stored, but nothing happens if I click the My Templates link. Here all that had been needed was that the path to My Documents was stored. Or that it was stored automatically once you had opened your own template once.

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Very strange... the CPT files should display automatically without having to put a * or *.cpt. They at least do on my system (yes, I am on Vista).

Gérard

Using CorelDRAW Graphics Suite X7.2 with Premium Membership, CorelDRAW Technical Suite X6 SP2 & CorelCAD 2014.5
on Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit  / Intel Core i7, 8 Gb RAM.

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Lars Forslin:
I must say I'm a bit hesitant to use the indexing or the Desktop search, because form my experience they slow your computer down considerably.
Agree. I even had to turn it off completely on one computer, because it stressed it so much that the cooling fan became unbearable to listen to. Good job Microsoft. No

/Ronny

“The ability to think differently today from yesterday distinguishes the wise man from the stubborn”
John Steinbeck

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Stockholm, Sweden
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I feel the Template thing is unfinished and pretty much useless if you are on XP. I don't think it's a good idea to rely on an indexing that taxes your system so much, just for the sake of a few templates.

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I too find the templates confusing/missing in X4.  I just installed X4 on my Windows 7 system, and to my surprise when I selected 'open from template', I see ZERO templates. 

Thinking this might be a compatibility issue with Win 7 and X4, I installed the program on my old Vista system. Surprisingly, some templates show up, but ONLY 6!  I find this surprising, since I elected to install all extras - why only 6 templates?  When I watch the Video Tutorials on the DVD, they show NUMEROUS templates when he selects 'open from template'.  Why do I not see them?

The 6 templates are all for Landscaping and appear to be from Australia (AU).  Yet, if I look in the templates folder, I see many more:
B&B - NA
Bakery - NA
Bookstore - JP
Childcare - UK
Consulting - PL
Craft Store - NA
Dentist - NA
High Tech - DE
High Tech - SA
Landscaping - AU
Law - RU
Pet Shop - UK
Print Shop - NA
Pub - DE
Real Estate - UK
Restaurant - JP
Restaurant - LA
Restaurant - UK
Sport Club - UK
Tourism - AU

I am confused why all these non-English templates (JP, RU, LA, etc.) show up in the templates folder, when I chose only to install ENGLISH.  Secondly, why do I only see the Landscaping AU templates, and not for example, the Tourism AU templates?  Same language.  And lastly, why do I see nothing on my Win 7 system?

Thanks

 

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The templates might not have been automatically installed... you need to install the extras from the DVD.

Using CorelDRAW Graphics Suite X7.2 with Premium Membership, CorelDRAW Technical Suite X6 SP2 & CorelCAD 2014.5
on Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit  / Intel Core i7, 8 Gb RAM.

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Gerard Metrailler:

The templates might not have been automatically installed... you need to install the extras from the DVD.

Thank you for the reply.  I did go back and try to reinstall everything - same result.  The extras on the DVD seem to be installed with the main program. The main installer, has 4 tabs at the top of the window.. one of which is called extras, which includes fonts, clipart, templates, etc.  During the main program install, I selected everything to be installed.  Just in case, I later tried the 'install extras' function from the DVD - the problem is that it appeared that everything was already installed, because it only gave me the options repair, modify, or remove - no option to install.  In any case, I selected repair, and it appeared to do nothing.

I still have no templates that I can see.  Even browseing the templates folder, there appers to be very few templates.. most of them are other languages that I cannot use.  But, still none show up in the window when I select 'open templates'.

Furthermore, it would appear that none of the fonts were installed either - do I have to manually select them and install them myself?

And lastly, none of the clipart or stock photos seem to be installed. When I selected the option, File->Import, I get a standard Window dialog that opens My Pictures folder. There is no place to type any keywords to find clipart (as the product Help suggests), and I have no idea how to work with clipart.

Is this product compatible with Windows 7?

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I still have no templates that I can see.  Even browseing the templates folder, there appers to be very few templates.. most of them are other languages that I cannot use.  But, still none show up in the window when I select 'open templates'.

Have you tried the File | New From Template command? That's typically how you access the templates.

Furthermore, it would appear that none of the fonts were installed either - do I have to manually select them and install them myself?

Fonts are copied to the hard drive, they are not installed. You the included Bitstream Font Navigator to install them.

And lastly, none of the clipart or stock photos seem to be installed. When I selected the option, File->Import, I get a standard Window dialog that opens My Pictures folder. There is no place to type any keywords to find clipart (as the product Help suggests), and I have no idea how to work with clipart.

File | Import will work if you point it at the folder where the files are stored. It isn't "My Pictures". You might want to get the free ROMCat utility as it makes it easy to search the clip art library via keyword. It also sounds like it would be helpful for you to learn more about many things in regards to CorelDRAW. All of the questions you've asked here are answered in detail in my CorelDRAW X4 Unleashed book. It will take a small investment of money and an investment of your time, but it will be worth it to you in the long run as you'll be a much more productive user.

 

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