I've upgraded from X6 and Tabs are driving me insane. I drag in any number of images to view and work on them side by side. What do I need? - auto-resizing, floating windows and all the real estate I can muster.
1) Sure, open images using Open or Open Recent... and if the Option is set to "Open documents in floating window" they will open in floating windows, but drag them in from Windows Explorer and they tab. Can we have consistency here? Better still, can we get rid of tabs?
2) Tabs should be optional. They take up real estate and get in the way of working with multiple images.
3) The snap feature which opens the image to full workspace should also be an option. Why should I have to use Ctrl just to dock windows across the top? Lunacy.
4) no auto-resize of the floating window? Seriously? I mean, seriously? Corel clearly wants me to use tabs, but seriously, no auto-resize of the windows? Really? How many lines of coding must that have saved?
Here's where I'm coming from. I use SolidEdge CAD and when they introduced a revolutionary non-history-based method of creating 3D objects they had the good sense to maintain the old history-based method for those who preferred it. Everybody was happy. Cannot the same be done here and allow floating windows exactly as they were in X6, just for those of us who prefer/need that way of working?
I've been using PhotoPaint since it was ZPaint, before Corel bought it. I've been using X7 for a couple years now, and I still absolutely hate the windows snapping to tabs. I usually have three to six image windows open, and I don't always have a hand free to hold the ctrl button when moving a window. Every time it snaps to a tab I curse the engineers who forced this upon us. Fine, I understand it's a Win10 default, and I've disabled it in Windows (under mouse settings, accessibility, multitasking and the registry - I hate it that much). But PhotoPaint overrides all that and forces it. Give us a choice, let us control our workspace!Despite the improvements, I regret being forced to leave v.12 behind- it is completely unstable in Win10. It would almost be worth it to network in an XP box with v.12 and use a swivel chair to move back and forth, just to use PP without tabs.If I learn a new version of PP has a way to disable this, I'll upgrade. Otherwise, X7 will be the end of a long, long line for me. I regret that, because I know the menu structure and shortcuts so well that I can zip through actions way faster than I could in PS. (and I also have PSP, don't like the interface, it only serves one purpose for me- PP no longer supports the old Kodak PhotoCD .PCD format. PSP 32 bit opens them, 64 bit does not. If PP still had that file support I'd uninstall PSP).</rant off>
I've been using Photo-PAINT since 1992 not sure it was ever bought as another application. It always amazes me the things that drive people crazy.
David, it amazes me the lack of tolerance there is to other users who may have legitimate reasons for complaining about a product they've bought into over several updates and now feel it no longer works for them.
So, it's fine for you. I'm happy for you, David, really, I am. But what will you do if on the next update they do something really dumb to anger you? What! They've dropped Macros - but I NEED Macros, they were so darn useful! Will you then come on here and tell everybody who moans about the loss to just get on with it, because that's what you'll do? If we don't raise concerns, the developers of this product will never know what we do/don't like about the changes they make.
I decided to stick to X6 for this reason - tabbed windows are not productive if you work with more than one window. We need the option to have non-tabbed windows, as in X6. I'll accept the software bloat.
As other features, from my personal point of view it should be optional. That means, it could be a part of the customization of the workspace. Each one choose what he prefers or what works best for him.
Ariel that sounds like a good idea but when the application becomes corrupt due to over customization and useless the IT guy complains about the service time and then simply forces the company to use Adobe, what then? If people would take the time they whine and cry about things and just work maybe they'd be more profitble. If change bothers you make sure you never work in IT.
David Milisock said:Ariel that sounds like a good idea but when the application becomes corrupt due to over customization and useless the IT guy complains about the service time and then simply forces the company to use Adobe, what then? If people would take the time they whine and cry about things and just work maybe they'd be more profitble. If change bothers you make sure you never work in IT.
On this specific point, the code is already there, it's no needed to develop a new one, just enable or disable.
And if it doesn't work, it should be fixed. This is the work of programmers. I didn't say it's easy or just ten minutes, but it doesn't seems to be impossible. It's not like a "I want to have a 3D interface".
btw it should be the way for almost every big change: allows to use it or not. For example, I hate "treat objects as filled", I disable it inmediately after install the program. OK, it's a feature that it could be useful for new users, but I don't like it. Fortunately there's a chance for disable it, but if this option doesn't exists, I would feel very frustrated. Maybe it's something small, and it seems to be irrelevant, but I could stop using a new version if I could not disable that option. So, I try to imagine that other people could feel the same but about other option.
The installer for Corel TechnicalSuite is well over 1 gb. If putting back a little bit of code that was there once before would allow users to make a customization that makes the program unstable and corrupt, there are much bigger issues than just this one fix.
David - and how much productive time would be lost installing all that costly new software, let alone all the downtime in retraining, and the cost of that, all on the hope that the new software will have fewer tech issues. If it bothers the IT guy, sack the IT guy because the choice of your worktool is not his business. Besides, we don't all work for big companies with IT departments, many of us are small independents working for ourselves and these sort of changes can kill our business. BTW, my workspace is highly customised with no problems. Corel are doing a good job here, just wish they'd do a slightly better one and return what (some of) it's users and customers actually want and need.
If improving the product bothers you David, stop trolling and use Adobe. I'm sure Corel wouldn't care less about losing your custom any more than it seems unconcerned about losing mine.
aliisa (and anyone else using multiple images in PhotoPaint)I usually only have a few images open at a time and tabbed windows is nothing that bothers me, so maybe I should stay out of this conversation.But I got curious and decided to have a look at it with fresh eyes, and see how I would do it.First of all, let's say I open up six images in PhotoPaint X6 and 2018.In X6, they come in cascaded and in 2018 tabbed. Not very user friendly in any of them if I want to get an overview.Tiling Vertically seems to be the best option in X6, but the same command in 2018 groups them to a maximum of three horizontal windows. Not good.Tiling Horizontally looks better but they are still grouped.So, what I have to do next is to drag one tabbed window from each group down, and make it snap to be a separate window. Could be a little tricky but it is definitely doable in a couple of seconds, each.So now they look pretty similar with six windows, 2018 with thinner frames offers a little more image area but it is more difficult to see where an image begins and ends. No big deal though.If this how I want it to be (don't know about you), I see a clear benefit in 2018: It is possible to drag the window dividers between them and decrease or increase the size without overlapping anything.Drag and drop works in both, and so does mouse wheel zoom and scroll when hovering over a window.One thing that I see as a real plus with the new behavior (already mentioned) is the ability to drag a window outside PP, and even into a second monitor. For those with two monitors this should be a super feature.The "new" window behavior seems alright to me, but since I don't have to work this way, I am probably missing something.It would be very interesting hearing what it is, most of all, that makes it so bad.(it is probably mentioned somewhere here, but...)
Ariel said:It's not like a "I want to have a 3D interface"
Just to understand.
Can you explain, what you mean with a "3D interface"? (the Adobe interface?)