I've upgraded from X6 and Tabs are driving me insane. I drag in any number of images to view and work on them side by side. What do I need? - auto-resizing, floating windows and all the real estate I can muster.
1) Sure, open images using Open or Open Recent... and if the Option is set to "Open documents in floating window" they will open in floating windows, but drag them in from Windows Explorer and they tab. Can we have consistency here? Better still, can we get rid of tabs?
2) Tabs should be optional. They take up real estate and get in the way of working with multiple images.
3) The snap feature which opens the image to full workspace should also be an option. Why should I have to use Ctrl just to dock windows across the top? Lunacy.
4) no auto-resize of the floating window? Seriously? I mean, seriously? Corel clearly wants me to use tabs, but seriously, no auto-resize of the windows? Really? How many lines of coding must that have saved?
Here's where I'm coming from. I use SolidEdge CAD and when they introduced a revolutionary non-history-based method of creating 3D objects they had the good sense to maintain the old history-based method for those who preferred it. Everybody was happy. Cannot the same be done here and allow floating windows exactly as they were in X6, just for those of us who prefer/need that way of working?
Yes, it drives me crazy too... I had X4 and I got very unhappy when I found this windows mess... I use to have 4 to 8 windows open, plus one reference photo for skin colours and I also change the view size very often, which make this tab mess almost hopeless...
The totally useless tab (when you have one photo in one window) steal also valuable space at the top of each window, making every window bigger than it have to be!!
Sorry to hear this issue is still causing grief to faithful Paint users. I've given up on Paint in so much that I won't be upgrading from X6 unless this issue is fully resolved.
W10. Why the question, David? And why the absolute negative? That smacks of a blindfolded, arrogant attitude of a corporation that tells its user base what it'll get rather than listening to what they want. What's the explanation for ignoring its users in this particular respect? After four years, we still haven't had one.
Windows 10 compliance I believe is why it's the way it is. Corel won't change it because of compliance and very few users complain.
I do thousands of images yearly, high end architectural imaging for global publications and now my own photography. Photo-PAINT 2021 has a new light tool that just is awesome. It acts like a fully adjustable clarity filter. It also has a new white balance tool,which is very useful.
I use AftetShot Pro 3, PaintShop Pro 2022 and my main editor Photo-PAINT 2021 and like you was forced to deal with the changes. Such is life!
I know your background very well, you've explained it before and as before, your view smacks of 'I'm OK Jack'. How would you feel if your new toys, the light tool and the white balance tool, were taken away in the next revision. I'd say, David Milisock can moan all he likes, I really don't care, I don't use it. Few people are complaining anyway.Such is life !
First of all, the lack of respect amazes me, you are talking about one of the most prestigious users worldwide. If you really want Corel to pay attention to your request, you are not on the right track.Second, if it is a compatibility issue, it is highly unlikely that Corel will go back to a version as old as X4. You have to look ahead, towards the future and towards Windows 11. In that case, you must clearly detail how you want the windows and dockers to behave, and why, that is, what advantage or importance it has. That is, you have to convince the company to put their programmers to work on that, leaving aside other tasks, therefore a good explanation is needed. If you can come up with that, I personally promise to hand it over to the Corel development team, though of course I can't promise they'll accept it.
Ariel said:the lack of respect amazes me
That cuts two ways. The "hey it doesn't bother me" attitude is neither helpful nor wanted.
Ariel said:it is highly unlikely that Corel will go back to a version as old as X4
Possibly true, but we are talking about X6
Ariel said:you must clearly detail how you want the windows and dockers to behave
We have. It's all detailed above but nobody is listening. Ultimately, David is right, we'll just have to buy other software or hang onto X6 for as long as Mr Gates allows us. I guess that'll be W12. W11 appears to be mostly cosmetic, FWICS.
Ariel said:I personally promise to hand it over to the Corel development team
That's a big statement and we'll hold you to it. All the info you need is in this thread. But why has it taken so long for somebody like yourself to come forward? This thread is over four years old. It tells you something about how sore some of us feel about this.
First you have an illusionary thought process. I never said "hey it doesn't bother me". You made that up and BS carries zero weight, you have no concept of what it takes to get a program changed.
It took me and others from version 7 to X5 to get color management addressed. That took hundreds of documented files and thousands of hours of my time alone. It took from X3 to 2019 to get complex fills and transparency processed properly for PDF files. Again hundreds of files and thousands of hours.
What I told you was the truth based on 30 years of Corel experience and 46 years of graphic experience.
Ariel is a honorable person give him what he asks for and he'll follow through. If you do that I'll help him. What is provided in this thread is essentially a bit more than zero.
Make some demonstration videos, show how the work flow was negatively affected. Provide files, documentation and what ever is ask for, respect is earned.
David Milisock said:Ariel is a honorable person
Yes, Ariel is a honorable person but he don't accept any legit critics about CorelDraw.
That's not my experience with him, I criticize on a regular basis. He's an old school gentleman.
Before you accuse anyone of BS - and if that isn't truly insulting, what is? - I'll describe your comments here as very rarely positive. It's as if you've set yourself up as a guard dog to protect the status quo, come what may. What is implied by your comments is - I have what I want, sod the rest of you.
Let's go back four years to a reply to RoyReed, where you wrote - "I see web work, I never think in those terms...". That shows even back then you were out of touch with us. Fine it suits you, but it was a bad day for others. Accept that. Another - "I tend to think in 50MB to 1.5GB file sizes. When you work with large files you tend to only have one or two open..." Again, good for you, of no help whatsoever to us who work differently. You never saw the problem and you still don't. Yet you come here and argue it down at every turn. Why can't we BOTH have what we want, David? What's wrong with that? What's so wrong about us having what WE want so we can ALL be as happy as you?
No. It doesn't take all that faff you refer to. That's another smokescreen in order to do nothing. Some four or more years ago, somebody at Corel decided to go with tabs and the auto-docking. The significant coding for non-tabs and non-auto docking that is already there. We are not asking for new features here, just the old ones back. Make these features an option. Three years ago I wrote -
"Discovered that an image brought to the 2018 workspace through New From Clipboard, Open, Open Recent or Open With... (Connect or Explorer) appear in an AUTO-SIZED window. So it CAN be done.".
Proving that the code is still there, and within the 2018 version with tabs.
The point here is. Some four years ago, somebody at Corel made a decision to jettison users like us in favour of users like you. I doubt there was much marketing strategy behind it other than lets copy so-and-so, it seems to work for them. The fall out is that they've driven long-term users of Paint away from Corel into their arms. I may be wrong but nobody from the Dev team or Product Marketing has ever come on here to explain that decision, nor why they can't reverse it.
I have respect for you David, but you have to see that your input here is negative to the cause and therefore not helpful to it. I'm happy to let Ariel do what he can to put it before the people who count, if he's happy to do that.
That is a serious and totally false accusation.When have I refused to accept any legitimate criticism?It seems somewhat unfair to me, considering that for years I have been helping many people to solve their problems. If I denied the criticism, I would not accept that there are errors or problems to fix. I've been reporting bugs for almost 20 years and helping people fix their problems.Honestly, I find it somewhat offensive that you say that I have refused to accept any legitimate criticism.Furthermore, I have offered to send your proposal to the technicians and managers, if you prepare a request detailing the reasons, advantages, disadvantages, etc. so that it is not just a question of "I like it that way." And yet your answer was "read the whole thread yourself, and do it yourself if you want". Considering that the person interested in changing it is you, it seems the most logical thing to explain it yourself. I am making a sincere and disinterested proposal to convey your proposal, but your response is very unkind, and above all, you unfairly accuse me of not accepting criticism. Surely you do not know the amount of criticism that I have transmitted to the company, so that they make improvements in the program.
Comments like this are disappointing ...