I've upgraded from X6 and Tabs are driving me insane. I drag in any number of images to view and work on them side by side. What do I need? - auto-resizing, floating windows and all the real estate I can muster.
1) Sure, open images using Open or Open Recent... and if the Option is set to "Open documents in floating window" they will open in floating windows, but drag them in from Windows Explorer and they tab. Can we have consistency here? Better still, can we get rid of tabs?
2) Tabs should be optional. They take up real estate and get in the way of working with multiple images.
3) The snap feature which opens the image to full workspace should also be an option. Why should I have to use Ctrl just to dock windows across the top? Lunacy.
4) no auto-resize of the floating window? Seriously? I mean, seriously? Corel clearly wants me to use tabs, but seriously, no auto-resize of the windows? Really? How many lines of coding must that have saved?
Here's where I'm coming from. I use SolidEdge CAD and when they introduced a revolutionary non-history-based method of creating 3D objects they had the good sense to maintain the old history-based method for those who preferred it. Everybody was happy. Cannot the same be done here and allow floating windows exactly as they were in X6, just for those of us who prefer/need that way of working?
Yes, it drives me crazy too... I had X4 and I got very unhappy when I found this windows mess... I use to have 4 to 8 windows open, plus one reference photo for skin colours and I also change the view size very often, which make this tab mess almost hopeless...
The totally useless tab (when you have one photo in one window) steal also valuable space at the top of each window, making every window bigger than it have to be!!
Sorry to hear this issue is still causing grief to faithful Paint users. I've given up on Paint in so much that I won't be upgrading from X6 unless this issue is fully resolved.
I know your background very well, you've explained it before and as before, your view smacks of 'I'm OK Jack'. How would you feel if your new toys, the light tool and the white balance tool, were taken away in the next revision. I'd say, David Milisock can moan all he likes, I really don't care, I don't use it. Few people are complaining anyway.Such is life !
First of all, the lack of respect amazes me, you are talking about one of the most prestigious users worldwide. If you really want Corel to pay attention to your request, you are not on the right track.Second, if it is a compatibility issue, it is highly unlikely that Corel will go back to a version as old as X4. You have to look ahead, towards the future and towards Windows 11. In that case, you must clearly detail how you want the windows and dockers to behave, and why, that is, what advantage or importance it has. That is, you have to convince the company to put their programmers to work on that, leaving aside other tasks, therefore a good explanation is needed. If you can come up with that, I personally promise to hand it over to the Corel development team, though of course I can't promise they'll accept it.
Ariel said:the lack of respect amazes me
That cuts two ways. The "hey it doesn't bother me" attitude is neither helpful nor wanted.
Ariel said:it is highly unlikely that Corel will go back to a version as old as X4
Possibly true, but we are talking about X6
Ariel said:you must clearly detail how you want the windows and dockers to behave
We have. It's all detailed above but nobody is listening. Ultimately, David is right, we'll just have to buy other software or hang onto X6 for as long as Mr Gates allows us. I guess that'll be W12. W11 appears to be mostly cosmetic, FWICS.
Ariel said:I personally promise to hand it over to the Corel development team
That's a big statement and we'll hold you to it. All the info you need is in this thread. But why has it taken so long for somebody like yourself to come forward? This thread is over four years old. It tells you something about how sore some of us feel about this.
First you have an illusionary thought process. I never said "hey it doesn't bother me". You made that up and BS carries zero weight, you have no concept of what it takes to get a program changed.
It took me and others from version 7 to X5 to get color management addressed. That took hundreds of documented files and thousands of hours of my time alone. It took from X3 to 2019 to get complex fills and transparency processed properly for PDF files. Again hundreds of files and thousands of hours.
What I told you was the truth based on 30 years of Corel experience and 46 years of graphic experience.
Ariel is a honorable person give him what he asks for and he'll follow through. If you do that I'll help him. What is provided in this thread is essentially a bit more than zero.
Make some demonstration videos, show how the work flow was negatively affected. Provide files, documentation and what ever is ask for, respect is earned.
Before you accuse anyone of BS - and if that isn't truly insulting, what is? - I'll describe your comments here as very rarely positive. It's as if you've set yourself up as a guard dog to protect the status quo, come what may. What is implied by your comments is - I have what I want, sod the rest of you.
Let's go back four years to a reply to RoyReed, where you wrote - "I see web work, I never think in those terms...". That shows even back then you were out of touch with us. Fine it suits you, but it was a bad day for others. Accept that. Another - "I tend to think in 50MB to 1.5GB file sizes. When you work with large files you tend to only have one or two open..." Again, good for you, of no help whatsoever to us who work differently. You never saw the problem and you still don't. Yet you come here and argue it down at every turn. Why can't we BOTH have what we want, David? What's wrong with that? What's so wrong about us having what WE want so we can ALL be as happy as you?
No. It doesn't take all that faff you refer to. That's another smokescreen in order to do nothing. Some four or more years ago, somebody at Corel decided to go with tabs and the auto-docking. The significant coding for non-tabs and non-auto docking that is already there. We are not asking for new features here, just the old ones back. Make these features an option. Three years ago I wrote -
"Discovered that an image brought to the 2018 workspace through New From Clipboard, Open, Open Recent or Open With... (Connect or Explorer) appear in an AUTO-SIZED window. So it CAN be done.".
Proving that the code is still there, and within the 2018 version with tabs.
The point here is. Some four years ago, somebody at Corel made a decision to jettison users like us in favour of users like you. I doubt there was much marketing strategy behind it other than lets copy so-and-so, it seems to work for them. The fall out is that they've driven long-term users of Paint away from Corel into their arms. I may be wrong but nobody from the Dev team or Product Marketing has ever come on here to explain that decision, nor why they can't reverse it.
I have respect for you David, but you have to see that your input here is negative to the cause and therefore not helpful to it. I'm happy to let Ariel do what he can to put it before the people who count, if he's happy to do that.
I take exception to that, Mr Milisock. I find your attitude rude and insulting. You deal with criticism through argument, not by the use of personally-orientated language or deprecating a person's intelligence or perception by stating that they have "comprehension issues". What knowledge of me makes you think that comment is acceptable? It's deeply insulting and you should apologise.
This is not a grudge match. This is a Paint issue. Keep your personal view of fellow members to yourself. In fact, I'd rather you stopped commenting on this stream as your language and attitude is deeply problematic.
I'd prefer you use your undoubted experience to the advantage of other Paint users and not just blindly argue against proposals by putting forward the thought - tough, it ain't ever gonna change, mate, so I'll argue against you for no reason other than I'm happy with Paint as it is and I don't care what you want. That's MY perception and it's based on your comments above.
For the good of everyone here, please leave this thread to users who WANT A CHANGE FOR THE BETTERMENT of Paint, instead of constantly and continually arguing against them.
Could we please have auto-docking and auto-resizing back, with tabs optional. It's a simple request, get behind it.
I'm glad you take exception, my statement about you comprehensive abilities are based on your interpretation of what I write. Except for my statement about your inability to comprehend, the two are not the same.
I put significant effort into Photo-PAINT improvements ovet several cycles into for Photo-PAINT starting in version 8, it's now version 23. Several would be 15 cycles.
I have told you how to promote the features you want, several of us have tried unsuccessfully over several build cycles. I hope you're successful but I can tell you that posting on this forum of the forum that preceeded it has had little to zero effect on any programming in Draw or Photo-PAINT.
*This reply was directly reported (!) and hidden for 14 days, until it was reviewed by Corel & restored...
I guess you (aliisa) meant that we want auto resizing back (always, or as a default selected option) plus auto-docking and tabs as two options you can turn off...
The worst thing with not having auto resizning of windows is not just when you open photos, but every time you change the zoom and then ALSO have to change the windows size AND often have to move the window too, one extra time... And yes, when I work with a photo, do I normally change the view size / zoom level 3 to 10 times and then must I adjust the windows every time, which become VERY irritating when you have 4 to 12 photos on the screen!!
Yes, that is a total of 12 to 120 windows adjustments I simply didn't have to do before...
Then do I open 4 to 12 other photos and optimize them... And normally a third time, resulting in 36 to 360 window adjustments, that "only" take 15 seconds each or 9 to 90 minutes that I could use a lot better...
And the big pictures is that I have over 2000 photos to optimize, which mean that I will totally waste 1500 to 5000 minutes on adjusting the image window, instead of just clicking the right zoom tool and it's done!
Following reply to aliisa - was just deleted as "spam or abuse" and I don't understand why (??) because it is only about this matter and nothing else!!