hello,
when I open an object without outline (just 1 object, a line as a fill without any outline) from an AI file and open another CorelDraw document with a similar object and choose both, then CorelDraw says in the status bar that the outlines are different/multiple. But there is not outline in both cases :) and when I choose them one by one, it's correctly shown as such in the status bar.
I don't really care about this but wonder whether this could be just the sign of a real problem when continue working with those?
thank you
(the file has no color profiles embedded because it is too large to upload then, but the issue is also there when profiles embedded)
new.zip
The way I understand it is that Draw stores information about the outline even though an object may nothave any, and this hidden outline color information makes Draw show them as having "Several Outlines".If you select both objects and then simply assign a thick outline width to them, you can see that the upperone gets an RGB outline while the other object gets a CMYK black.I don't think it will affect your work in any way (if you remember to check if or when you decide to givethem an outline), but if you want to correct it you can select the objects, right click a color swatch to givethem the same color, and then right click the no color swatch.Note that objects can have different outline attributes that are invisible if the objects don't have any outlines,and these may not appear as "Several Outlines".Things like "Scale with objects" or different outline corners or positions, are not shown as "Several outlines"as long as the colors and widths are the same.
yes thank you that was a good hint. indeed it is in CMYK although created in Illustrator in a RGB file saved with a RGB profiel embedded and the other color is RGB. I also tried assigning an outline in Illustrator in RGB before and then removing it there again before saving. After all it is just as it is, the outline is "thought" to be CMYK.
What version of Illustrator?
I used CS4 for many years before using CorelDraw now. But it would be good to know if this happens also with Illustrator CC.
I would like to give you an answer but I haven't touched Illustrator CC in over 2 years and haven't owned a version since CS 5.5.
Illustrator has never been able to support multiple color modes like CorelDRAW has since X5.
Well in this single case it could be easier if there was only one color mode allowed :) as in this case I have a "hidden" CMYK outline.
So if we go away from Illustrator and its versions and how it works and concentrate on CorelDraw. Just imagine you or anyone gets a file like the one in the example. But with much more such objects, a huge illustration with many of them.
Is there any way in CorelDraw to find objects that don't have an outline but CorelDraw knows already that it would become CMYK if I make it bolder?
So any macro perhaps or other function where I can:
- find outlines that have as meta information "I will become CMYK when I have some value"- perhaps make those outlines to "I will become RGB when I have some value"- perhaps even decide the color, or at least "I will become RGB Black when I have some value"
I mentioned the Color Replacer and the AP ConvertColors in another topic earlier today - actually not because of this problem here, but I guess something similar could be the solution.
I don't have to imagine getting Illustrator drawings with compatibility with Draw issues, I've been doing this 3 decades.
I like everyone else who chose Draw had to make a decision.
I could deal with the compatibility issues (which as file complexity increases becomes more difficult) and use CorelDRAW as our only software.
I could based on my volume and profitability of incoming Illustrator files support Adobe products by purchasing the software as well as CorelDRAW.
We were an output/manufacturing company that needed graphics as a core element of our process. At first, (1992) I kept a Mac and Adobe alongside my CorelDRAW on Windows. All Mac files had an additional $50 fee. By 1996 I eliminated support for the Mac.
I maintained my Windows systems with CorelDRAW as my main platform and supported Adobe thru CS 5.5, incrementaly moving my Adobe clients toward taking full responsibility for providing print ready PDF, all Adobe files had an additional $50 fee, with the increasingly downward quality of Adobe files I raised my base fee to $75 for Adobe files.
Architectural imaging and archival print required RAW camera file support which I added through Corel AfterShot Pro and other RAW converters.
With the change to subscription Adobe CC, I dropped all native Adobe application support, only accepting PDF and TIF files for output without additional fees which were $100 per hour.
The PDF TIF file for output was around mid 2013 and continued in full production until I semi-retired in 2021 and in a more stringent manner thereafter.
I now take RAW files, PDF and an assortment of image files.
As you can see for awhile I had to support both Adobe and Corel, as Adobe users became less profitable I dumped them.
Unfortunately there is no one size fits all answer, I'm profit driven and self motivated so Adobe and its users didn't fit well.
Thank you - I will use CorelDraw as well because of many reasons. That's why it is interesting to know where CorelDraw has this hidden information about an outline that has 0 in size, but CMYK "in memory". CorelDraw has to know this or learn this somehow, but how?
Perhaps there could be a macro choosing automatically with the select tool all those fillings where CorelDraw knows already that there is a hidden CMYK.
So as said above I would like to write only about CorelDraw about this issue, not Adobe. Of course the file comes from Adobe. But isn't interesting that CorelDraw has some "hidden knowledge base" about the outlines and how to reach it?
At this time you're most likely to have a safer path for cross application conversion than we did in the 90's and early 2000's. At that time soft proofing was not nearly as stable as it is now. In those days many RIPS would preview fine and then fail at output. We had to produce hard proofs which added cost to the project.
Using macros or not the success of a cross application process many time requires longer term stability in terms of the application version of both the source and destination applications.
The use of macros exacerbates the issue as many times macros are not stable between updates. I never used macros on any regular basis.
However if one is exchanging simple vector and raster content it works. As one moves to basic postscript level 2 & 3 transparency (flattened in postscript 3 devices) this can get dicey and requires significant testing and documentation.
If you move into true PDF output (live transparency) I have never found any reliable solution.