I just read a post saying they weren't sure if they were going to make an SP3 because almost all the bugs were fixed... on what planet. I've listed many many (50++) that haven't been touched... and that's not considering everyone else who's noticed usability problems. Come on. I can say the sky is green, but that doesn't make it true. Stop lying... we're not *that* stupid.
I'm sorry to use such a strong word, but the bugs aren't anywhere near fixed with sp2.
Here's another bug that's 100% reproducible (on my machine).
FYI...
- in Illustrator, you use the wheel to scroll and hold alt to zoom
- in Draw, it's the opposite
I'm using an MX Revolution mouse
the basic image I'm using was created in X5... it's not much more complicated than just a bunch of coloured squares with coloured circles
steps to reproduce:in Draw, zoom using mouse in/outhold Alt and press sideways on the mouse wheel to zoom sideways- watch carefully because there's a jump in the position... then it seems to work
- now release Alt and try zooming in/out
... the canvas is blank and zooming doesn't make the parts refresh.
this same problem happens even if I just push sideways... maybe it's the mouse???
there are sooo many bugs remaining... we aren't living in the world of 1984... stop saying most of the bugs are fixed because they aren't. 2+2 is not 5. Stop saying it is. Are you getting paid by Corel to say that? Are you not paying attention to the obvious problems that still exist in X5? Even though it doesn't disrupt your workflow doesn't mean it isn't a pain for some others.
just off the top of my head (without looking at the many many bugs that I've documented)...
* moving layers is still buggy
steps to reproduce:
-in Draw, new file, 22x22cm, 300dpi
-F7, draw 2 squiggles
-click new layer button in object manager
- draw 2 more squiggles (so both layers have something there as representative work)
-without minimizing the layers first, drag Layer 2 down below the 2 curves in Layer 1 as though you want it behind Layer 1
- it doesn't get recognized as a drop there unless you're just below the "layer 1" text line... otherwise it goes into the Master Page area.
another few off the top of my head....
the stupid save box pops up if you open an AI file and don't even change it.... when you go to close, Draw says you've changed it. Nope!
... and when you open any AI file, Draw forgets it's name so you have to type it in - which is a pain when the file name is important even though it's long
eg. fig_323323_akDhfs.ai ... I just made that name up, but you get the point
if the file name is long, this is a pain... I don't want to have to look back to see where it came from just so I can save it as a CDR file with the same name. Dumb. The program openned it... it should be remembered and shown in the title bar like other files.
arrow head (legacy problem) positions in Draw, not matching with the end of the line/curve...a nd changes depending if you're using a line or curve
docker position and size issues
overscroll zooming not going to the center of your mouse
paint chooser messing up, not in sync with the one on the left
some guy posted a PNG that would open PP, but when you go to save, it would crash the program... I kept that file for a while to use it as a test for when sp3 came out because I assumed they would want to fix that reproducible crashing problem... still happened about a month + later... I deleted the file.
no shortcuts for common PP tools like smudge... and you can't set this
problems with stroke size in Draw (I posted a thread about it a while ago and got a suggested workaround... yay).. but it still should be fixed.
Suggesting work arounds is not what we need... fix the program... I paid for a working program.
those are a few... off the top of my head... that are still around and are still annoying. The program is still not finished.
I get it... to *some* (many?) this program does everything you need... good for you.
... but don't claim it's mostly fixed because that's a lie. There is much that's still not working well. Embrace this fact.
leunam12 said: Moving layers works fine, if you move the top layer down, you don't have to get below the shapes on the bottom layer, since you cannot drop a layer inside another layer, as soon as you move layer 2 below the line that divides it from layer 1 you can release and the layer will go to the bottom. I don't see the need to go all the way down. That's not a bug, that's a preference.
Moving layers works fine, if you move the top layer down, you don't have to get below the shapes on the bottom layer, since you cannot drop a layer inside another layer, as soon as you move layer 2 below the line that divides it from layer 1 you can release and the layer will go to the bottom. I don't see the need to go all the way down. That's not a bug, that's a preference.
I guess I'm expecting to have to move it below (which you're right I would prefer) because Illustrator works like that because you can put objects into other objects (kinda like groups into groups... but layers into layers).
Also, I'm actually also saying that if you try to go below all the objects in a layer, it doesn't drop correctly... that's why I'm claiming it's a bug
leunam12 said: opened a CS2 Illustrator file and Corel remembered its name
I'm openning CS5 documents... that's probably it (?)... and the CS5 AI files are coming from a mac.... but that shouldn't matter I'd hope.
leunam12 said: I don't know what docker problems you are having, you were not specific.
I don't know what docker problems you are having, you were not specific.
Sorry... on purpose I didn't want to rehash the past... and the problems I was mostly referring to regarding the dockers were in PP
Please do not feel obliged, but if you want to, I think they're mostly all listed here...
http://community.coreldraw.com/forums/t/22430.aspx?PageIndex=8
... again, venture at your own risk... it's really long. I have a dual monitor setup, and I think that has something to do with the horizontal positioning problems because the un-stuck dockers would magically migrate 2X over to the right of where I'd drop them... anyways... there are tons of details I don't care to rehash here. Have a look in the link if you're really really curious.
leunam12 said: Even though I don't use a mouse on a regular basis, I tried zooming with the one I have here and it goes to the center, maybe I don't understand what you mean by "overscroll", but zooming seems to work fine. But anyway I don't zoom with it and I don't know what you are expecting.
Even though I don't use a mouse on a regular basis, I tried zooming with the one I have here and it goes to the center, maybe I don't understand what you mean by "overscroll", but zooming seems to work fine. But anyway I don't zoom with it and I don't know what you are expecting.
Again... I wasn't super clear... this problem is in PP... and is listed in the same big bug thread. The gist is that zooming doesn't keep what you're pointing at centered on your pointing device (eg. mouse). This is something others will claim is a preference, but the overscroll is ignored... even if you turn it on an make it as big as possible... which means you want to be able to get the edge portions of your image centered... and this logically should work when you are zooming. Anyways... it's in the link too. Enter at your own risk.
** My preference (and what I think makes the most sense) is to get rid of overscroll in PP altogether. It's obsolete. PP would be way better if it had the same infinite canvas functionality as in Draw... or something that ignored the idea of overscroll... as long as some pixels are on the screen, that should be good enough. When you're dealing with fine details, I want what I'm working on in the center... not forced off along the side.
I guess I'm expecting to have to move it below (which you're right I would prefer) because Illustrator works like that.......
Who gives a stuff what Illustrator works like? This is Corel, not Adobe, and why should Corel copy Adobe?
Can you explain a little better please, you are not at all clear in what you are saying? What do you mean by "go below all the objects in a layer"? If you are saying move an Object below the rest of the Objects in that layer, or any other layer, then that works fine. If you are saying move a layer below the bottom layer, it works fine and as expected too. What are you expecting to happen?
As far as mouse zooming is concerned, there is no bug there either! If an image is in portrait orientation, for example, and the image has not filled the entire workspace yet, then it always sits centred on the screen (left to right). It will not move to the left or the right. Once the entire workspace is filled with the image then zooming with the mouse will send whatever your mouse pointer was placed above to the centre of the screen. This is what people requested some time ago and Corel nicely gave it to us. So if I want to work on a person's nose on a large image, I move my mouse cursor over the nose and zoom with the mouse wheel and the nose is now in the centre of the screen, right where I want it to be. You are right in saying that zooming in does not make use of the overscroll feature at all. You have to zoom in and then manually pan the screen to the corner afterwards. That is definitely an inefficient way of working.
Having a floating image like PS would definitely be a nice feature. One thing you have to keep in mind, Dave, is that if something does not work like an Adobe product, bad luck and get used to it; this is not Adobe and we don't want it to be either!
Best regards,Brian.
I only have 2 wishes for SP3, personally, and they are both related to PP. One is to have Bump Maps working again....but far more importantly than that....my second wish is for Clip Masks to be made stable again. Clip Masks are just way too important to be unstable and they are ridiculously so at this point in time.
Draw is rock solid and never crashes on me at all.
Brian said: Who gives a stuff what Illustrator works like? This is Corel, not Adobe, and why should Corel copy Adobe?
You're right... I shouldn't have said that. What I should have said is that moving things to where your mouse is positioned is common to other programs... eg. moving favorites up/down in IE's favorites. The line shows up where your mouse is so you can drop the item.
Here's a quick video.
a few main points:
- the horizontal line that shows where I can drop layer 2 shows up below 2... why? it doesn't move.
- it shows up below layer one but only if I'm still on the layer 1 text line... not below it? why not? I'm not allowed to move a layer into another layer, but that somehow prevents me from moving it below 1?... and even if I get to the exact position where I want to drop it... and it turns into an arrow at that spot!... it means it gets dropped into the master layer area below? That's broken. Regardless of brand loyalty, that is broken.
I can't do a screenshot with the cursor at that point but try it slowly yourself and you will see that the arrow shows up ABOVE the edge of the master page... that suggests the layer would go into "Page 1" and not the Master Page because you're still pointing at Page 1.
Brian said:You are right in saying that zooming in does not make use of the overscroll feature at all. You have to zoom in and then manually pan the screen to the corner afterwards. That is definitely an inefficient way of working.
I agree... that's an annoying problem. I completely agree with the rest of the zooming stuff you said.
Brian said: Having a floating image like PS would definitely be a nice feature. One thing you have to keep in mind, Dave, is that if something does not work like an Adobe product, bad luck and get used to it; this is not Adobe and we don't want it to be either!
I don't understand. It would be nice but damn Adobe. Why not make PP work better. It's not a question of what's being stolen, it's a question of what makes more sense. I love many features of PP and Draw because they make more sense than their Adobe counterparts... but taking brand loyalty to the point of saying no to some feature that you agree would be nice seems... ?
"bad luck and get used to it; this is not Adobe and we don't want it to be either!"... you're being facetious right? "get used to it" haahaha It sounds like your talking about commie pirates or something... damn those commies and all that they stands forrrrr! (pirate voice).
But seriously... PP can get better by changing some of its weird behaviour for more intuitive functionality... and I agree in this case it would definitely be nice.
Hi Davo,
I work in a different way to you, so I have never seen your layer-drag issue before, but I did some experiments and found it! If the layers are exanded (to show all the objects on them) then dragging a layer to the bottom of the stacking order on the same page actually drops it to the next page! I guess in your case, you were on the last page so your layer ended up in the Master Layers. The easiest way around this is to drag layers around in collapsed view. There is no issue at all that way and it is a lot less fiddly. Personally, I know from the outset what I want at the bottom of the stacking order and I never have to drag anything beneath the lowest layer. That is no excuse though for the functionality not working properly!
I agree with you on this one, there is an issue. I am not sure if it is a bug, or just poor functionality.