I am wondering if there is a way to have a bleed on three sides only. I am exporting to a pdf/x for the printers and I do not want the inside edge (book format) to have a bleed. The only way I can see around this is to make the page smaller (the size of the bleed), but I would prefer to simply remove the inside bleed itself. Is this possible?
Hello Kevin; Try playing with the Mesh Fill tool, you should be able to get what you are looking for.
George
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I am talking about page bleed in the printing. So that photos are cut to the edge of the page. When setting up the page you can select a bleed and the size, however, it seems you cannot de-select a particular side. It is all four side or none.
If the PDF has bleed on all four edges (which is completely usual) that does not mean that the program which imposes it into a booklet has to use the bleed on the unwanted edge. Any decent company that prints booklets will use imposition software that automatically masks the bleed at the gutter. The important thing is to make sure that you do have bleed on the other three edges.
If you specifically want to crop off the bleed on the fourth edge, you can use a powerclip. Just draw a rectangle with one edge along the gutter and the other three edges along the bleed guidlines, and use it to clip each of your pages. But that's effectively what your printing company's imposition software will be doing with your pages when it reaches them, so your efforts will be purely for your own satisfaction and should have no effect on the printed result.
More important than losing the fourth edge is to remember is that if you are doing a saddle stitched booklet, you probably should have some bleed (maybe only 1mm) on the fourth edge of the front cover. The printer is not going to be able to control the fold position exactly on every copy, and it will usually look far worse to have 0.5mm of back cover showing on the front of your booklet than to have 0.5mm of your front cover showing on the back.
Thanks very much for your replies. I agree Mike We, they should be able to knock off the inside bleed, however, when you upload the file it reads the extra width as an error and rejects it. I would go to another printer, but it is the one the client wishes to use. The printer prefers In Design templates, and I do not wish to use it. I have experienced some reticence from them regarding CD, which I do not comprehend. I guess I will go the page resize method I was considering. I will look into the power clip method harryLondon mentioned. Thanks again!
Kevin Smith said: Thanks very much for your replies. I agree Mike We, they should be able to knock off the inside bleed, however, when you upload the file it reads the extra width as an error and rejects it. I would go to another printer, but it is the one the client wishes to use. The printer prefers In Design templates, and I do not wish to use it. I have experienced some reticence from them regarding CD, which I do not comprehend. I guess I will go the page resize method I was considering. I will look into the power clip method harryLondon mentioned. Thanks again!
I'm not 100 percent on what you want,
So let's say we were doing a book that had a final page size of 8.5x11 bound on the long edge, so we plan for a 1/8" bleed and we design this at 8.75x11.25.
Option 1 Do they want the file to be 8.75x11.25, with a white edge on the left side of right hand pages and a white edge on the right side of left hand pages?
OR
Option 2 Do they want a file that is 8.625 where it'd be the same as option 1 but with the white edge missing?
Option 1 is super easy.
Option 2 is a little trickier.
Please advise.
The page size is 9.5 x 8.0 (which is what I set up the page at, using book [facing pages]), when exported with the bleed (0.125) it comes to 9.75 x 8.25, the printer`s specifications are 9.625 x 8.25 (no inside edge). So, I was hoping to simply remove the bleed on the inside edge, however, I think I will just change the page size to 9.375 x 8.0, but this might require nudging the content on each page (which is 70 pages). If you know how to remove the gutter bleed that would be great!
Hi, Kevin. Don't worry, you don't need to remove the bleed of the inside edge. All programs for imposition (Preps, XMF, etc) do it automatically. There's no reason to remove the bleed,
I disagree Ariel. You might have to remove the bleeds if they're perfect binding this, not all glues work with a printed edge and if that's the way the printer requested the file then that's the way you should provide the file.
I think I can do this, but I am posting from a bonfire right now and won't be home for hours.
It sounds like Blurb's or CreateSpace's (or another POD's) automated printing weirdness. Which do not use typical workflows for checking PDF submissions. And they do not modify the PDFs. If I recall, at least one POD I have used in the past also does not desire cropmarks, color bars, etc. They do use the internal cropbox parameter inherent in the PDF when there is a bleed allowance. So their software they use is that "smart."
I do see a paradox here.
If a printing company wants to automatically check uploaded artwork, they should be separately checking at least two things :
But PDF readers, including Adobe's, typically hide the size of those boxes somewhere that is hard to find ... and worse, they show a completely irrelevant "page size" in document properties that does not correspond to the trimbox, which is the most important dimension.
Lazy printers -- those who can't be bothered to understand the purpose of the trim and bleed boxes -- then automate their processes to ignore them. Instead they use the wholly irrelevant "page size" value, which in turn means they must impose unnecessary requirements like an exact bleed and no printers marks.
Adobe is probably at fault in encouraging this sort of ignorance. Adobe reader should show trim box and bleed in document properties instead of the meaningless "page" size. Users, especially including incompetent printers, would then be encouraged to implement work flows based on those values.
But it is no good trying to educate these people. They've been to college, and have been taught by another ignoramus whose sole knowledge of PDF came from prehistoric days when PDFs typically did not include trim and bleed boxes.
So for the moment, if you are going to use these ignorant printing companies there is little choice but to design with bogus page sizes, just to keep their stupid software happy.
harryLondon said: If a printing company wants to automatically check uploaded artwork, they should be separately checking at least two things : the trim box is the correct size, and the bleed box exceeds the trim box by at least (but definitely not exactly) the specified bleed on all necessary sides
Exactly. The problem is not about "how to hide part of the content", it's about to setup the Trimbox and the Bleedbox. CorelDRAW creates an exact Trimbox and, like Adobe software and others, it creates by default the bleedbox ariund the trimbox. That's right, becuase is the way that almost all printing companies in the world works. If your printing company want to have 3 sides only, that means to setup the "internal side" bleed to zero. That can be do it easily with Acrobat, btw it's a waste of time and work, since all imposition software fo it automatically. More than this, sometimes is required to have this fourth bleed, specially when you impose several pages and you need to balance the widht of the booklet
Ariel said:That's right, becuase is the way that almost all printing companies in the world works.
...that know how to use Acrobat Pro correctly. Not all do.
Ariel said: btw it's a waste of time and work, since all imposition software fo it automatically.
Assuming they bought it. This could be someone using acrobat to print a file that then get sent to a desktop perfect binder and then gets cut down.
It really isn't that surprising. Besides, that's who the client is using, so it's who they have to plan for.
Truly, the easiest way to get this file ready is to use Acrobat Pro to crop all odd pages one way and all even pages another way. Hey Kevin Smith, do you have acrobat pro? It would be way easier than doing this in corel.