Overriding max fountain fill position (100+)

Is there a way to be able to set the position of fountain fill to more than 100? Wasn't this possible in previous versions of Corel Draw?
Anyways, I want to achieve the result as shown below. The logical way would be to set position to more than 100, and than to adjust the gradient colors manually to get the look with less curved arch as in gradient on the left side. I think it is obvious why this is very important. I know that there are multiple other ways to achieve this, as you can see that I did (converting to bitmap and crop in this situation in this case), but these are all limited workarounds, and the only "clean" way to do this is as I described.
 


The question is; how!? 
 


Also the interesting thing is that is possible to adjust the gradient in toolbar to more than 100 by mouse dragging it, but it doesn't apply to the object.
 




I believe this worked in previous versions.
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  • Ariel said:

    First of all, let's think a moment: When we say 100, what are we talking about? ? 100 pixels? 100 millimeters?? ? No, there is a percentage that is set from zero to 100. Mathematically, we could use 101% or 120% but if we speak of a value ranging from zero to 100 is not possible. Likewise, when we choose the percentage of ink, we can use 20%. 50%, etc but no program allows you to use a 120% black. The maximum is 100

    So, let me explain a little why is set to 100. We are talking about the diameter of the circle, because you're use a Radial Fill. You can't use more than 100% of the circle, because if you enlarge the circle always the max size is 100%. The radius of the Radial Fountain fll is always 50% of the diameter, no matter the size or distance.

    I understand the logic behind it as it is, but it is not necessary. It's a ridiculous limitation. As you said, it could've been set to 120%. These are vectors. They are where you put them. They don't fill real physical space but virtual. You can't compare that with ink example because that is physically limited. There is only one reason why 100 is set to max; somebody made it like that without thinking that it is a limitation.

     

    Ariel said:
    Never was possible, also on any other software

    I remember this bothered me before, and I think I found some kind of a workaround. Maybe it was with PowerClip. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but you can definitely do this with other software.Try Inkscape. You can do wildest things with fountain fills there. Including resizing and deforming the circular gradient to any desired size or position. It simply is programmed to get out of the object dimensions. So what!? Who says it's not allowed? Apart from Corel, I mean.

    Look at this image. It's self explanatory. This is how CorelDRAW Gradient tool should work like;

     

    Ariel said:
    So, you can enlarge tne Radial Fil, just press the G key for Interactive fill and drag. That's enlarge or reduce the circle of Fountain Fill or change the center,  Is more than 100% of the size of the selected object, but never is more than 100% of the diameter of the fill.

    Interactive does the same limited thing, as you say. Same thing.

  • estugarda said:
    I understand the logic behind it as it is, but it is not necessary. It's a ridiculous limitation. As you said, it could've been set to 120%. These are vectors. They are where you put them. They don't fill real physical space but virtual. You can't compare that with ink example because that is physically limited. There is only one reason why 100 is set to max; somebody made it like that without thinking that it is a limitation.

    You can't use more than 100% of the fill you're using. That's simple logic. The fill is a vector, a virual space, independent of the real size of the object. If you have a square of 100 x 100 mm of course you can add a fill of 120 x 120 mm , but in this case, 120 mm is the 100% of the fill. Inn other words, there are no limit for fill on CorelDRAW. 

    estugarda said:

    I remember this bothered me before, and I think I found some kind of a workaround. Maybe it was with PowerClip. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but you can definitely do this with other software.Try Inkscape. You can do wildest things with fountain fills there. Including resizing and deforming the circular gradient to any desired size or position. It simply is programmed to get out of the object dimensions. So what!? Who says it's not allowed? Apart from Corel, I mean.

    Look at this image. It's self explanatory. This is how CorelDRAW Gradient tool should work like

    Inkscape can deform the fountain fill, and you can add transparency ar the same time as an alpha channel.  Deform the fountain fill is a good option, but this is not the problem. I didn't see anything on your image that you can't do with CorelDRAW.  

    estugarda said:
    Interactive does the same limited thing, as you say. Same thing.

    but you can drag outside the object, and drag on any direction. You have no limits. 

  • Ariel said:
    The fill is a vector, a virual space, independent of the real size of the object.

    But actually, the fill vector increases as the offsets are increased. The user does not have to increase the fill size, it just happens automatically as the offset increases, to ensure that the virtual fill encompasses the entire object that requires the fill:

    Those values are presently possible in X6.3 and the illustrations have been produced with it. But 100 is only an implementation limit, the limit which CorelDraw just happens to have at the present moment.

    Unlike black, where you cannot get blacker than black (and hence more than 100% black makes no sense), you can always draw a larger circle. There is a precise reason for limiting black to 100%, but the offset limit is totally arbitrary. It could be 50, it could be 150. And therefore a 150% offset would make perfect sense if it were not for that arbitrary implementation limit:

    But of course, as the value grows beyond 200, it more and more resembles a linear fill and uses less and less of the custom fill pattern :

    And so ... although there is no practical reason why the implementation limit needs to be as low as 100, equally it would be fairly pointless making the limit much more than about 250.