I write this message for all corel users. In my company i use corel and i use creative suite cs5 for one year and creative CC for one month. Adobe have a grate products but i think there are a lot of programs and one persone can't use all. I find my corel x4 more quickley than illustrator/indesign cc 64 bit. I spend one day for paginate eight pages with illustrator and three hours with Corel. I studies many hours indesign and illustrator but i think almost people have requirement that adobe promotes, it's only a business move. I hope Corel continue to developer this software with this policy and best each distribution. A good graphic using adobe but does not have the ideas in head will never make big plans!!
Tomasi Matttia said:I hope Corel continue to developer this software with this policy and best each distribution.
I use CDR from 2008 and in my opinion as i saw, Corel not invest in cdr developing much. From version x4 i saw some changes ,but not big changes. Only the character formating and the color management are changed, in rest just modified. Export and pdf problems appears in x6 like in x4, no free video tutorials to understand color management in x5, x6 ,CorelDraw masters not handle professional the serious problems like eps exporting or pdf publishing, or the bugs ,they reject all or handle indifferent ,they do not like the criticism :) etc... In graphic design industry (professional print companys) as i saw Adobe products are more preferably.
x4 said:Corel not invest in cdr developing much.
Ok, how much have they invested, real numbers please?
What factual information is your opinion based upon?
Not being mean, just real.
Maybe he means, "effort". Not much effort invested. At least, that's how I read it. And I agree with that sentiment. I always have.
KuttyJoe said:Maybe he means, "effort". Not much effort invested. At least, that's how I read it. And I agree with that sentiment. I always have.
Now you got me curious. What did you use to measure "not much effort"? I mean how do you know?
I am asking because I do not recall your name as participating in the creation/testing of x6. I was there throughout and I totally dis agree with your statement. The effort put forward was extreme and extended beyond the normal, countless hours by so many people. I can say no more.
bob said: Maybe he means, "effort". Not much effort invested. At least, that's how I read it. And I agree with that sentiment. I always have. Now you got me curious. What did you use to measure "not much effort"? I mean how do you know? I am asking because I do not recall your name as participating in the creation/testing of x6. I was there throughout and I totally dis agree with your statement. The effort put forward was extreme and extended beyond the normal, countless hours by so many people. I can say no more. [/quote] The way I read the OP's (Original Post) is he is in favour of Corel over Adobe's products . KuttyJoe is agreeing with him by stating "Not Much Effort" is needed to use the software, not to develop the software. I think there is mis-communications happening here.
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The way I read the OP's (Original Post) is he is in favour of Corel over Adobe's products . KuttyJoe is agreeing with him by stating "Not Much Effort" is needed to use the software, not to develop the software.
I think there is mis-communications happening here.
I say the effort was not enough but obviously I can't prove anything. You say the effort was extended and extreme, but obviously, you can't prove anything. It's interesting that you would attempt such an argument when you have no more proof than anyone else. What I do have though is the resulting products. I have experienced them over a period of about 2 decades. I also have competing products. I have all of their starting points so I can see how much they've progressed over time. So what I can measure extremely well is the result of all of their efforts. So what I focus on is the thing that matters. The result. You can talk all you want about somebody's efforts and accuse people of personal attacks. But what matters to people who spend money and buy products is the quality of the product they've bought.
If you want to talk about effort, you should look at the last 20 years. Look at where CorelDraw Suite was then and look at where it is today. Look at where Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator was 20 years ago and where they are today. Then you can say something realistic about effort.
Neither I, nor you can determine what Adobe and Corel developers have been doing with their time. What we can both see easily though is the result of their efforts. That's really what matters.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm actually saying that I don't believe Corel has put the extreme effort into development that Bob is claiming and that I've believed this for many years. I have absolutely no proof of that. Bob has no proof to the contrary. What we do have is decades of evidence that can be looked at and final resulting products. In the end, it really doesn't matter to a consumer about anybody's efforts. What actually matters is the quality of the resulting products. Looking at the development arc over 20 years, I've come to a very different conclusion than Bob.
KuttyJoe said:If you want to talk about effort, you should look at the last 20 years. Look at where CorelDraw Suite was then and look at where it is today. Look at where Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator was 20 years ago and where they are today. Then you can say something realistic about effort.
I'm assuming that what you mean is development of features and improvements that have remiered in the applications. I'll concede that Adobe is better at marketing their products.
I'll also concede that Corel has held onto supporting older technology longet than I believe that they should have.
Howevr when it comes to general print, large/grand format, sign work in a professonal color managed environment CorelDRAW Graphics Suite X6 is second to none. I'll go a bit farther, if your in general print and sign work and you're using Adobe products good I need all the poorly prepared competition I can get..
For a few firsts, Corel was first with
Functional PS level 3 support, yes I know I was there at Seybold when Adobe used CoreDRAW to premeir PS level 3 printing
Live real transparency
150 x 150 ft work space
First to have a direct interface from the layout program (Draw) to image editor (Photo-PAINT) back to page layout
First to offer raster capabilities in the drawing program.
I could go on for days.
Everyday I see people in the sign industry struggle using Adobe products to output trade show booth displays, struggling with impropper use of transparency that forces the user to compromise on quality and just to rasterize the entire InDesign PDF. The same work in CorelDRAW is sent as raster, vector combination with higher quality output in the end