I write this message for all corel users. In my company i use corel and i use creative suite cs5 for one year and creative CC for one month. Adobe have a grate products but i think there are a lot of programs and one persone can't use all. I find my corel x4 more quickley than illustrator/indesign cc 64 bit. I spend one day for paginate eight pages with illustrator and three hours with Corel. I studies many hours indesign and illustrator but i think almost people have requirement that adobe promotes, it's only a business move. I hope Corel continue to developer this software with this policy and best each distribution. A good graphic using adobe but does not have the ideas in head will never make big plans!!
Tomasi Matttia said:I hope Corel continue to developer this software with this policy and best each distribution.
I use CDR from 2008 and in my opinion as i saw, Corel not invest in cdr developing much. From version x4 i saw some changes ,but not big changes. Only the character formating and the color management are changed, in rest just modified. Export and pdf problems appears in x6 like in x4, no free video tutorials to understand color management in x5, x6 ,CorelDraw masters not handle professional the serious problems like eps exporting or pdf publishing, or the bugs ,they reject all or handle indifferent ,they do not like the criticism :) etc... In graphic design industry (professional print companys) as i saw Adobe products are more preferably.
x4 said:Corel not invest in cdr developing much.
Ok, how much have they invested, real numbers please?
What factual information is your opinion based upon?
Not being mean, just real.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm actually saying that I don't believe Corel has put the extreme effort into development that Bob is claiming and that I've believed this for many years. I have absolutely no proof of that. Bob has no proof to the contrary. What we do have is decades of evidence that can be looked at and final resulting products. In the end, it really doesn't matter to a consumer about anybody's efforts. What actually matters is the quality of the resulting products. Looking at the development arc over 20 years, I've come to a very different conclusion than Bob.
KuttyJoe said:I'm actually saying that I don't believe Corel has put the extreme effort into development
Here's a link to a post from Hendrik Wagenaar, as an example of how it may work.
Ronny Axelsson said:Whether it can be called "extreme effort" is not for me to judge, but like Bob and a few others here I have a pretty good experience how it works behind the scenes. I also know that Corel is a tiny mouse compared to the mammoth Adobe. That said, the small team of devoted developers is doing a very good job. I know, we know, and they certainly know themselves, that they have to prioritize what areas to work on, and what bugs to fix and when (if even possible). Unfortunately they cannot fix them all, no matter how hard they work.
Whether or not they could fix all the bugs is also debatable. I don't believe that super high quality products are only possible with the biggest companies, or that the biggest companies create the highest quality products. Apple quality was far exceeding the offerings of competitors long before it became the most valuable tech company in the world. Microsoft, being the biggest software company in the world routinely makes crappy products that drive even fans of Microsoft nuts.
The highest quality program that I've started using recently costs $79.00 and has the same kind of extreme quality that Photoshop has. It's crashed once on me in about 9 months of sometimes heavy use. All of it's features do exactly as expected and results are strangely higher quality than what I think I'm putting into it. It's an amazing program called Manga Studio. For $79.00, the company is practically giving it away, but what kind of effort does it take to have that level of quality? It wouldn't be unfair if I said that it's obviously far and away more than Corel is putting into Photo-Paint. 12 years ago Photo-Paint would crash by the second, minute, or hour. Today, Photo-Paint crashes by the second, minute, or hour. The performance of the antique brushes is offensively poor. Actually, the brush tools in both Photo-Paint and CorelDraw could be described as antique and poor. Why is it that this cheap unknown program which likely brings in less money for the company behind it can have far and away higher quality than Corel's $500.00 offering? Look at Corel Painter. When the new version comes out the first thing people want to know is whether or not it crashes as much as the last.
KuttyJoe said:Why is it that this cheap unknown program which likely brings in less money for the company behind it can have far and away higher quality than Corel's $500.00 offering?
First off PP is free. Second my question is what resolution does Manga Studio work at?
David Milisock said:Second my question is what resolution does Manga Studio
Manga Studio full version is $299 not $79 and much more limited than CorelDRAW which makes a simpler program to create
David Milisock said: Second my question is what resolution does Manga Studio Manga Studio full version is $299 not $79 and much more limited than CorelDRAW which makes a simpler program to create [/quote] The "full version" just has more of what they call "materials", what you might call "clip art". It's patterns, 3d objects, images, textures, etc. The actual features are 99% the same as you can easily see if you look at the feature comparison chart on their website. I've been using the $79.00 release simply because it came out first. Recently I upgraded to the full version for I think $100.00, but there are almost no extra features. I think backwards compatibility with a previous version of Manga Studio, and the ability to make "story books" are the chief feature updates for the full version. I'm not a comic artist so I don't even care about those things. I actually don't care about any aspect of it's comic creation tools. I don't make comics. What's the point of saying that it's limited compared to CorelDraw. CorelDraw is a vector program. They're not even SIMILAR products. Manga Studio is like Photoshop. I pointed all of that out earlier. And that it's a "specialized" program for creating comics. But right on schedule, here you are trying to downplay the significance of a super cheap program that has perfect quality, reliability, and bug free. You're not saying anything relevant. Just distorting what's being said. The point about the price was that with a tiny profit, the company is able to make a perfectly stable product that is what I would call bug free. I haven't found a single bug! Not one, in nine months of regular use. Compare that to any Corel graphic product. Any price range. That's the point. The reality is that the culture of quality that exists at some companies just doesn't exist at others.
Second my question is what resolution does Manga Studio
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The "full version" just has more of what they call "materials", what you might call "clip art". It's patterns, 3d objects, images, textures, etc. The actual features are 99% the same as you can easily see if you look at the feature comparison chart on their website. I've been using the $79.00 release simply because it came out first. Recently I upgraded to the full version for I think $100.00, but there are almost no extra features. I think backwards compatibility with a previous version of Manga Studio, and the ability to make "story books" are the chief feature updates for the full version. I'm not a comic artist so I don't even care about those things. I actually don't care about any aspect of it's comic creation tools. I don't make comics.
What's the point of saying that it's limited compared to CorelDraw. CorelDraw is a vector program. They're not even SIMILAR products. Manga Studio is like Photoshop. I pointed all of that out earlier. And that it's a "specialized" program for creating comics. But right on schedule, here you are trying to downplay the significance of a super cheap program that has perfect quality, reliability, and bug free. You're not saying anything relevant. Just distorting what's being said.
The point about the price was that with a tiny profit, the company is able to make a perfectly stable product that is what I would call bug free. I haven't found a single bug! Not one, in nine months of regular use. Compare that to any Corel graphic product. Any price range. That's the point. The reality is that the culture of quality that exists at some companies just doesn't exist at others.
KuttyJoe said: the company is able to make a perfectly stable product that is what I would call bug free.
Not to be a nay sayer but their is no such thing.
My point is this you cannot compare CorelDRAW to this program. I ask and must have this total ICC compliance, full N-color space support especially transparency, multi-page document 150 sqft page just to start. Manga seems like a decent cartoon program but not a full featured graphics application and that lack of specification makes it easier to program.