I've upgraded from X6 and Tabs are driving me insane. I drag in any number of images to view and work on them side by side. What do I need? - auto-resizing, floating windows and all the real estate I can muster.
1) Sure, open images using Open or Open Recent... and if the Option is set to "Open documents in floating window" they will open in floating windows, but drag them in from Windows Explorer and they tab. Can we have consistency here? Better still, can we get rid of tabs?
2) Tabs should be optional. They take up real estate and get in the way of working with multiple images.
3) The snap feature which opens the image to full workspace should also be an option. Why should I have to use Ctrl just to dock windows across the top? Lunacy.
4) no auto-resize of the floating window? Seriously? I mean, seriously? Corel clearly wants me to use tabs, but seriously, no auto-resize of the windows? Really? How many lines of coding must that have saved?
Here's where I'm coming from. I use SolidEdge CAD and when they introduced a revolutionary non-history-based method of creating 3D objects they had the good sense to maintain the old history-based method for those who preferred it. Everybody was happy. Cannot the same be done here and allow floating windows exactly as they were in X6, just for those of us who prefer/need that way of working?
Yes, it drives me crazy too... I had X4 and I got very unhappy when I found this windows mess... I use to have 4 to 8 windows open, plus one reference photo for skin colours and I also change the view size very often, which make this tab mess almost hopeless...
The totally useless tab (when you have one photo in one window) steal also valuable space at the top of each window, making every window bigger than it have to be!!
Sorry to hear this issue is still causing grief to faithful Paint users. I've given up on Paint in so much that I won't be upgrading from X6 unless this issue is fully resolved.
Before you accuse anyone of BS - and if that isn't truly insulting, what is? - I'll describe your comments here as very rarely positive. It's as if you've set yourself up as a guard dog to protect the status quo, come what may. What is implied by your comments is - I have what I want, sod the rest of you.
Let's go back four years to a reply to RoyReed, where you wrote - "I see web work, I never think in those terms...". That shows even back then you were out of touch with us. Fine it suits you, but it was a bad day for others. Accept that. Another - "I tend to think in 50MB to 1.5GB file sizes. When you work with large files you tend to only have one or two open..." Again, good for you, of no help whatsoever to us who work differently. You never saw the problem and you still don't. Yet you come here and argue it down at every turn. Why can't we BOTH have what we want, David? What's wrong with that? What's so wrong about us having what WE want so we can ALL be as happy as you?
No. It doesn't take all that faff you refer to. That's another smokescreen in order to do nothing. Some four or more years ago, somebody at Corel decided to go with tabs and the auto-docking. The significant coding for non-tabs and non-auto docking that is already there. We are not asking for new features here, just the old ones back. Make these features an option. Three years ago I wrote -
"Discovered that an image brought to the 2018 workspace through New From Clipboard, Open, Open Recent or Open With... (Connect or Explorer) appear in an AUTO-SIZED window. So it CAN be done.".
Proving that the code is still there, and within the 2018 version with tabs.
The point here is. Some four years ago, somebody at Corel made a decision to jettison users like us in favour of users like you. I doubt there was much marketing strategy behind it other than lets copy so-and-so, it seems to work for them. The fall out is that they've driven long-term users of Paint away from Corel into their arms. I may be wrong but nobody from the Dev team or Product Marketing has ever come on here to explain that decision, nor why they can't reverse it.
I have respect for you David, but you have to see that your input here is negative to the cause and therefore not helpful to it. I'm happy to let Ariel do what he can to put it before the people who count, if he's happy to do that.
I take exception to that, Mr Milisock. I find your attitude rude and insulting. You deal with criticism through argument, not by the use of personally-orientated language or deprecating a person's intelligence or perception by stating that they have "comprehension issues". What knowledge of me makes you think that comment is acceptable? It's deeply insulting and you should apologise.
This is not a grudge match. This is a Paint issue. Keep your personal view of fellow members to yourself. In fact, I'd rather you stopped commenting on this stream as your language and attitude is deeply problematic.
I'd prefer you use your undoubted experience to the advantage of other Paint users and not just blindly argue against proposals by putting forward the thought - tough, it ain't ever gonna change, mate, so I'll argue against you for no reason other than I'm happy with Paint as it is and I don't care what you want. That's MY perception and it's based on your comments above.
For the good of everyone here, please leave this thread to users who WANT A CHANGE FOR THE BETTERMENT of Paint, instead of constantly and continually arguing against them.
Could we please have auto-docking and auto-resizing back, with tabs optional. It's a simple request, get behind it.
I'm glad you take exception, my statement about you comprehensive abilities are based on your interpretation of what I write. Except for my statement about your inability to comprehend, the two are not the same.
I put significant effort into Photo-PAINT improvements ovet several cycles into for Photo-PAINT starting in version 8, it's now version 23. Several would be 15 cycles.
I have told you how to promote the features you want, several of us have tried unsuccessfully over several build cycles. I hope you're successful but I can tell you that posting on this forum of the forum that preceeded it has had little to zero effect on any programming in Draw or Photo-PAINT.
I'm naturally glad you (David) did help many other users and I understand that you maybe not see this auto function (or the space eating tabs) as very important, if you not work with many pictures at the same time...
The main problem with this case, is that you can't give a link to a page where it is possible to report and grade problems like this... Probably because a really helplful page like that (best with categories) is missing!
First off I never said it's not important. It's important to READ what I say and comprehend. I said in response to the statement that a user made that they would not upgrade until this was resolved. I SAID, "Then you will never be updating." Unfortunately those who imagine conversations decided this demonstrates I'm against the feature. If you read this thread I'm not the only one who thinks that, I'm most likely the one with the most operational experience with Corel.
In fact, I am not from the WEB industry but when I found out about this I gathered others from the web industry and notified Corel. I and the others in the next cycle tried to convince Corel to address this issue as well as many other web issue. Very little to nothing was done.
I don't work for Corel nor do I control anything they do. I sign NDA agreements and if I have contact information I CANNOT hand that stuff out. For the very largest part if they want something they contact me.
Now I am confused... This basic missing functionality (auto photo windows resize) have nothing to do with the web / internet?!? Or did you mean the missing report page or pages (??) which naturally would be very valuable, both to report bugs and when the user interface not work as easy as it should... Plus maybe also as a wish list for future functions, with both votes and grades of importance...
And I didn't write that you didn't think the autosize function is important, just that I understand if you not see it as VERY important (for your own personal use) and that is a big difference!
But I see now that I forgot to write a "maybe" above, that I just added for clarity... Sorry for that!
Yes the one user with auto photo window resize was a web creator and years ago he privately communicated his work flow to me, many people do that. Not an issue for my work flow however Corel not focusing on easily attainable features across various industries affects us all.
Now we're on to a different subject, I believe there should be a location/email for users to send bugs and requests. However that location would be inundated with nonsense daily. Many users do not understand enough about the subject of their request to formulate a question. In today's threads alone are several examples of users having near zero understanding of file format technology limitations and how we utilize those limitations in cogent manner. COREL NEEDS TO UP THEIR GAME WITH SUPPORT!
This does not mean Corel should not address the need. They should but it will be a long process. Programming for an application that interfaces with multiple controlling technologies is complicated. Supporting users in a manner in which they understand the core needs sufficiently enough to understand why programmers have limitations is what's needed.
Doing so would improve the user experience and improve the feedback from users. Instead we have gotten a mess with new features over the years. Multi-page sizes in documents supported incorrectly, font manager extreme poor performance, transparency support 6 cycles to repair properly, PDF export 5 cycles to support, keep desktop objects on layer an solution to a problem caused by the multi-page size documents and single page size multi-page documents that solution implemented very poorly. The list goes on.
So as you can see they let a great deal go so if they don't serve your needs use a different software is my only solution for you. That awful but you need to make a living as do many other who have moved on.
*This reply was directly reported (!) and then hidden for 14 days, until it was reviewed by Corel and restored...
Thank's for your advice, but other software seem to be even worse... I did first try one that many did recommend as a finer alternative to Adobes famous one, because it was faster and did offer the same functionality, to a dramatically lower one time price... But it did have very few tool icons, so I had to spend 4 times longer to open each tool, hunting them down in menues - instead of just clicking one icon... And the result is clearly worse than that I must adjust the photos windows, every time I change the zoom...
And a friend who had Adobes version, did confirm that that work exactly in the same horrible way... So he told me that I was actually lucky to have PP 2018 and yes, everything I tried (except the idiotic photo windows management) work excellent (for me) in PP 2018 - but I have not tried to optimize any gif movies yet, so there may I find another ugly surprise!?
Yes, about optimizing... I mainly "only" colour correct, fix pale or dim photos so they look max natural and remove any annoying objects that take focus from the motive... Plus fix other faults, when they occur - like cut the photo in a better way and tilt them, when needed... But I never distort any persons look or "clean up" skin, so it look plastic!
I did just write following sincere reply to you David - but it got directly flagged as spam and was removed, just as half of my replies before... So it look like someone here hate me and want to stop me from writing anything!!