I've just started a new job taking over from a graphics designer who's going back to college.
He uses Corel X3 and since he has all the necessary files and images saved in that format already it made sense for me to get a copy also. So when my boss asked me what software I would require I said to get Corel Draw.
As I waited for my computer to be delivered I downloaded the trial of X4 so I could practice using it. It worked fine on my home PC, bar a couple of chokes on some large .ai files, but I'll forgive that.
Yesterday I got a brand new PC, with Windows XP Pro with 1 gig of ram, a 2 gig processer, not top spec, but more than my home PC and also certainly above the min specs written on the Corel X4 box.
Anyway, the problem that I'm having is that, first off, when I launch the programme, there's a 50% chance that it will choke when I try to open a corel file or just click on "New". If I'm lucky I can then start using it but have no guarantee that it won't then just choke when I import something or try to save. When it eventually crashes (which is the only thing I can be certain of) and I end task it and try and launch it again the same thing happens and the only way I can get the programme up and running again is by rebooting the machine.
I installed the Corel service pack, but it made no difference and also wiped the whole installation and rereinstalled it, still nothing. Having explained the situ to my boss I was told I should get on to the IT guys asap but all I got was the standard "Add More RAM" response and I honestly don't think it's that.
Just for troubleshooting purposes, I took the disc home and installed X4 on my PC here. As with the trial it seems to be working perfectly, on a less powerful PC with a rather battered and worn-out XP pro install. The only thing is that I have Service Pack 3 on my work PC but am still on SP2 here at home. Other than some conflict with other software (Office 2007, Firefox 3, AVG Antivirus, Adobe Acrobat Reader 9, VNC) I have absolutely no idea what it could be.
When stuff happens randomly (e.g. 50% of the time you click on "New"). there's a chance that it's hardware related.
While I can't say for certain, It's possible that you have ram with a bad section that Draw sometimes fills. I would try running a test on your RAM, there's a few good programs for this. I think I've used Prime95 before (free), but I've been told that memtest86 is better since it does it at boot time.
Or, just swap your ram temporarily for testing purposes.
Regards,Hendrik
It's not the RAM. Because I got a replacement PC, basically the same model but a fresh installation. The only difference being that this new install has SP2 rather than SP3. I thought that might be the problem.
Unless it's a conflict with existing software (VNC, Office 2007, Firefox 3, Acrobat 9 [AVG uninstalled]) it can only be an issue with the hardware. (It works on my busted old Dimension 1100 no problem) I also have PSP Photo X2 installed but the problem originally occured before I had installed that. PSP works like a dream, though it may well still be a graphic card problem.
Here's the details from the PC properties:
Windows XP Pro SP2HP dx2400 MicrotowerIntel Pentium R Dual CPUE2180 @ 2.00 GHz1.20 Ghz, 0.99 GB of RAM
Graphics card is Intel G33/31 Express Chipset Family.
Fairly sure that's an inbuilt graphics card that's part of the motherboard. Could that be the problem? (A quick google brought up a load of game forum nerds whining about what a crap card it is so that could well be it)
This is quite a disaster
David Milisock said: Same good results here. Jeff some people can't boil water. Can't blame the tool if you hit your thumb. [/quote] That's a really dumb comment isn't it. Like most of what you say, it simply ignores what is actually being discussed.
Same good results here.
Jeff some people can't boil water. Can't blame the tool if you hit your thumb.
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That's a really dumb comment isn't it. Like most of what you say, it simply ignores what is actually being discussed.
KuttyJoe said: That's a really dumb comment isn't it. Like most of what you say, it simply ignores what is actually being discussed.
No it's the truth. Literally tens of thousand use the application if you can't it has to be you or your equpiment, period.
I've been on the rifle range with combat experienced Marines who couldn't keep the 16 from jamming so it's not hard to imagine people who can't configure a computer system.
I had one guy try and install CD across their network and kept getting corrupt installs, local install solved the issue. Then there was the moron who installed and then tried to limit user privlidges , because everyone steals the graphics.
You say you're using other programs, are you? Or are you barely using them? Who knows? I'm not on site to see. I only know this if you can't get CorelDRAW to work it's you or your equipment.
Of course CorelDraw is perfectly usable. One could wish for better stability though. When I use the workspace I have customized, after a while I get problems, and they disappear when you do a workspace reset. Too bad you have invested hours in that workspace and also learned a workflow that utilizes it. I bet the better stability of some Adobe apps, is due to the fact that the customization is limited to a few keystrokes, if that much, and that you can move toolbars around. But what use is a customizable workspace if it is not stable? Maybe Corel should limit the customization to fewer, safe, options?
Lars Forslin said:Too bad you have invested hours in that workspace and also learned a work flow that utilizes it.
Hey Lars how are you?
The reality here is this when you have a situation like this the technician is responsible to recognize that the task is beyond them and it's time to hire a professional.
The fact is that there are people like me and others who do nothing but support Corel and it's time we speak out against this nonsense that Corel does not work.
We make it work period and we make it work on all systems where the task is appropriate for CorelDRAW.
David Milisock said:The fact is that there are people like me and others who do nothing but support Corel and it's time we speak out against this nonsense that Corel does not work.
I didn't say it doesn't work. I actually used almost exclusively between 1994 and 2002. I just never said anything about the bugs. But what I said was that Corel products were among the buggiest applications I've ever used. My apologies for saying it. The truth is that Draw and Photopaint are numbers 2 and 3 with only one other application being buggier. That was true 10 years ago, and is still true today. Recently, I discovered a bug after about a minute into Photopaint while discussing something with Jeff regarding Photoshop. This bug will poof Photopaint from screen 100 times out of 100 and it doesn't require any waiting. It's instant. I mentioned it to him and it immediately crashed Photopaint for him as well. He said he would kindly report it to Corel. But don't be troubled by things like that, I'm sure it was just my " poorly configured system". Just nonsense on my part. The fact that it also crashed someone else's system can also be safely ignored as pointless.
David Milisock said:We make it work period and we make it work on all systems where the task is appropriate for CorelDRAW.
Yes, you make it work. Someone from Corel should probably tell you to just stop talking. You're not doing them any favors.
KuttyJoe said:This bug will poof Photopaint from screen 100 times out of 100 and it doesn't require any waiting. It's instant. I mentioned it to him and it immediately crashed Photopaint for him as well.
Here's a prime example, you tell me about this but with no details. can't help without details.
Had a similar issue with EPS sizing a while back, got the details and one click fixed it. Bad default sure but not unworkable.
KuttyJoe said: The fact is that there are people like me and others who do nothing but support Corel and it's time we speak out against this nonsense that Corel does not work. I didn't say it doesn't work. I actually used almost exclusively between 1994 and 2002. I just never said anything about the bugs. But what I said was that Corel products were among the buggiest applications I've ever used. My apologies for saying it. The truth is that Draw and Photopaint are numbers 2 and 3 with only one other application being buggier. That was true 10 years ago, and is still true today. Recently, I discovered a bug after about a minute into Photopaint while discussing something with Jeff regarding Photoshop. This bug will poof Photopaint from screen 100 times out of 100 and it doesn't require any waiting. It's instant. I mentioned it to him and it immediately crashed Photopaint for him as well. He said he would kindly report it to Corel. But don't be troubled by things like that, I'm sure it was just my " poorly configured system". Just nonsense on my part. The fact that it also crashed someone else's system can also be safely ignored as pointless. David Milisock said:We make it work period and we make it work on all systems where the task is appropriate for CorelDRAW. Yes, you make it work. Someone from Corel should probably tell you to just stop talking. You're not doing them any favors. [/quote] Don't mention it detail it then we can fix it or in mass add eight to the argument and get Corel to fix it. Hell I crash Adobe products all the time, can't cry about it not to mention the LAB color proofing issuesand just lousy overall performance. Well CS 3 is better thsn CS2 and CS4 is just a waste of time. I can fall asleep waiting for the programs to launch and Acrobat just refuses to give it's memory back in XP, Vista or Windows 7.
Don't mention it detail it then we can fix it or in mass add eight to the argument and get Corel to fix it.
Hell I crash Adobe products all the time, can't cry about it not to mention the LAB color proofing issuesand just lousy overall performance. Well CS 3 is better thsn CS2 and CS4 is just a waste of time. I can fall asleep waiting for the programs to launch and Acrobat just refuses to give it's memory back in XP, Vista or Windows 7.
David Milisock said:Hell I crash Adobe products all the time
And I don't have a problem with that, or think that it makes you dumb. See how that works? Adobe doesn't pay me to say nice things about their products so I don't care if it crashes for you or not. But when someone says the same about Corel products, look at your response. It says everything that needs to be said.
Though needless to say, I don't have the same problems that you have with Adobe products. I wonder if it's because you are so busy "configuring" your system for Corel Draw, that you've made it unstable for other applications. Hmmm. LOL
David Milisock said:Well CS 3 is better thsn CS2 and CS4 is just a waste of time. I can fall asleep waiting for the programs to launch and Acrobat just refuses to give it's memory back in XP, Vista or Windows 7.
In other words, when Corel has problems, it's because of exceedingly dumb users. When Adobe crashes, it's buggy software.
Like I said earlier, you're not doing anybody any favors.
Joe, I understand the frustration that you may have. But, being snowed in, there on the "other"coast, is no reason to rant and rave without specifying a problem or a suggestion of a solution to a problem.
You may have found a way to crash PP, any time you wish, that does not make you a super hero, nor a nasty villain. And if you shared this experience and that person told you that it was forwarded to Corel for review, you can bet that it has been looked at, duplicated and some sort of fix, for that problem, has been implemented. Maybe or maybe not in this current release (X4), and if not, then in the next release of the CGS.
So what, if you can crash PP. I can crash Windows (XP, Vista or Win 7). I can crash many applications that run under these O/Ses. So what? I can even crash my car, if I want to. Should I blame the automobile industry (specifically which company?) for the ability to crash my car?
KuttyJoe said:I don't have the same problems that you have with Adobe products. I wonder if it's because you are so busy "configuring" your system for Corel Draw, that you've made it unstable for other applications. Hmmm. LOL
Actually all of my custom systems and all of the Dells that actually use Nvidia video cards and not their Nvidia chip set device work right out of the box.
I'm betting that it's you that is the problem but I could be wrong LOL! I'm also betting that you wouldn't understand a LAB soft proofing issue if it bit you. ROTFL Running Heidelberg Meta, Agfa and Harlequin digital front end systems makes me short on time so problem solving becomes second nature.
KuttyJoe said: In other words, when Corel has problems, it's because of exceedingly dumb users. When Adobe crashes, it's buggy software.
Nope it may be buggy software it may be system resources, it may be any number of things, I'm talented enough to figure out what causes it and avoid the issues when possible and plan for them when avoiding them is not possible. I simply mention them to show you that all software has issues. What I'm saying to you is that you whine incessantly and give no information to help you solve the problem. So I cannot help you. I'm simply taking a break from wriitng my book and screwing with you.
Here's an example all this time writing posts that I'm sure you think are clever and not one bit of information given to help resolve any of the issues. What a productive person you are!
Hugh Johnson said:I can crash Windows (XP, Vista or Win 7).
Hugh how are you? How has you experience with Windows 7 been? I've been pleased with the use of system resources, color management and driver support for Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit. I did find an interesting lock up when using the floating task bar and have not tested it since installing about 15 updates.