Conclusion after some months with X4

RunFlaCruiser said:

even for dummy files X4 is a big turtle,

Yes. I agree it is a bad thing about the newer version.

I could install verion 12 right now and throw twice as many items on the screen. Zooming in and out, and program operation in general would be twice as fast. Same thing with version 9 on an old Windows 98 machine. Why are newer versions slower?

I upgraded to X4 for my shop computer for the macro power. When I had version 12 however I could work faster and with more files.

 

pap said:

Really dissapointed  blame myself that i didnt started with Mac /illustrator platform...

What?!? .....Cooo Cooo.

~John

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Years ago, Illustrator was both very slow, and very skeletal in terms of it's feature set.  Corel Draw had a lot of features and was extremely fast.  But with each update Corel Draw got slower and slower while not really adding a lot in the way of features.  Illustrator on the other hand got faster and faster while piling on cool new features.  Today, Illustrator is probably a little faster than Corel Draw, but it's featureset might be a little less than Corel Draw.  It's hard to say because Corel Draw sort of dabbles in many things while not digging too deeply into them, such as page layout while Illustrator has a better focus on drawing and brushes and such.

I can remember a time when I had began to primarily use Illustrator, but Corel Draw was so fast that I would open Corel Draw just to preview fonts!  Illustrator was terrible for previewing fonts.  Since Corel Draw 3, Corel Draw can barely preview fonts at all.

KuttyJoe said:

Illustrator has a better focus on drawing and brushes and such

i m a designer so there is my focus, i wish every moment Corel to have Text fit to path like ILL has, crisp colored object without antialize outlines...i dont say nothing for the 3D and perspective grid of ILL

KuttyJoe said:

it's featureset might be a little less than Corel Draw

did u ever imagine an object w multiple outlines, multiple fills, to change weight of outline on the path

Corel is an amateur in front of CS5 , does everything (and coffee maybe :)) but needs to rely on macros to make basic things, drop shadows etc..

When Draw was a cheap solution that was OK.....but for 900+ euros looks like poor answer to ILL

(Dont say me u get a Paint,a presentation etc etc...I NEED  a design program, there is poor very poor in frond of ILL)

*ILL stands for ILLUSTRATOR not ILLNESS

Cheers all

pap said:

i m a designer so there is my focus, i wish every moment Corel to have Text fit to path like ILL has, crisp colored object without antialize outlines...i dont say nothing for the 3D and perspective grid of ILL

Yeah.  It was among the things that I appreciated when I began the transition to mainly Illustrator about a decade ago.  Things looked better onscreen.

pap said:

did u ever imagine an object w multiple outlines, multiple fills, to change weight of outline on the path

Appearance.  Yes, another wonderful feature of Illustrator.  That and also Illustrator's effects system is far beyond Corel Draw's.  Illustrator is "different" than Corel Draw, but when I consider the overall scope of the two applications, I still think Corel Draw reaches farther and covers more ground within a single application, if only slightly.  I obviously can't prove that, but I spent most of the 90's using Corel products, then around 2001 I transitioned to mainly Adobe Illustrator, so I have a good idea of what both applications cover.  It's hard to say because they have very different features.  So I definitely think it's debatable as to whether Illustrator is as far reaching as Corel Draw.  It's worth considering though that Corel Draw goes a great deal farther where dealing with bitmapped images is concerned.  Draw also is being used by some as a page layout application.  Personally, I would not bother because I use Indesign, and Quark before that.  But loooong before that, I created all my multi-page catalogs using just Corel Draw.  It crashed and corrupted the entire thing sometimes, but that's a different story.  LOL

pap said:

Corel is an amateur in front of CS5 , does everything (and coffee maybe :)) but needs to rely on macros to make basic things, drop shadows etc..

Hey, stop trying to take over my role on this forum as the Corel antagonist.  LOL  I do have to disagree with you.  Corel does not need a macro to make a drop shadow.  LOL  It was doing stuff like that I suppose a decade before Illustrator.  A lot of other stuff too.  I suppose you don't really know all that much about Corel Draw.  I kind of agree with your general feelings, but the specifics are a little off.

KuttyJoe said:

Hey, stop trying to take over my role on this forum as the Corel antagonist

Sorry that put my leg inside your field

KuttyJoe said:

Corel does not need a macro to make a drop shadow

when i say need a macro to do smtg mean need to do it as must be (dont say me that is the same quality Draw / iLL shadow.....)

KuttyJoe said:

LOL  It was doing stuff like that I suppose a decade before Illustrator.  A lot of other stuff too.

my answer is what u try to answer

KuttyJoe said:

I suppose you don't really know all that much about Corel Draw.

i use a program to make to make GOOD and EASY tasks about my job, if for to do a simple CLEAN and NICE thing (as drop Shadow p.e.) must examine the core libraries, or all macro helpers yes that i dont WANT to know much about

KuttyJoe said:

I kind of agree with your general feelings

My feelings bout X4 experience i draw here :)

Cheers

*i play the role of antagonist just for conversations issues

Have you tried adding Corel to your AV exclusion list.? That can often speed the application up.

Jack Ross said:

Have you tried adding Corel to your AV exclusion list.? That can often speed the application up.

HI.

Maybe. But I think this thread is referring to the basic fact.

Install both and the older app can just do things faster. Load 1000 items on the screen and fly!

Did we have that much less work way back when. No, but when you upgrade make sure you got the power because the app sure will need it.

A few new tools perhaps but why the slow down?

Also look at the contour tool. You better not contour any complex items unless you need a bathroom break.

~John

RunFlaCruiser said:

Also look at the contour tool. You better not contour any complex items unless you need a bathroom break.

for this issue most times i use the Convert Outline to Object / does more accurate work , even if need some more steps (*but fast enough to dont get time to be angry  ) , can make also interesting things w dots, round corners etc...i use it most for my vinyl cutter (*a PROUD D-610 SUMMA SIGN / this has nonstop work from 1991 

Cheers

THE ONLY SOLUTION

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Cheers

pap said:

*a PROUD D-610 SUMMA SIGN / this has nonstop work from 199

Yes. Summa is nice and my brand of choice as far as printers and cutters.

I run many Summa cutters. My oldest is a d620 which I refurbished. It gave me many good years until I plugged it in to a faulty electrical outlet one day.  It now sports a new "used" motherboard, new belts, and other misc parts.

Draw 9 was good and so were the memories of using it, but I can't do without my macros. I liked CorelScript and got a few things done but with the power of macros and X5 I feel like a one man army...lol

It's X5 for me now!

~John

PS. If I have ever have any complex items to Contour I usually use "the other guy"

~John

RunFlaCruiser said:

My oldest is a d620 which I refurbished

did u ever tried to make an "opos" like solution w D 620?

RunFlaCruiser said:

and X5 I feel like a one man army

Damn ..Greece is in Big crisis , seems never  wili get that X5

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a FREE copy of X6 VERSION

Cheers