Hello,
I'm using corel draw x5 and my monitor shows white as very light yellow, the only way to stop this is to change the color conversion settings to none which then turns all the colours to RGB which don't relflect the colour that would be printed.
My monitor is a Dell U2410 has anyone had this problem before?
This could be because your monitor is assigned a bad color profile. Sometimes, computer manufacturer ships color profile that are not that accurate and it is better not to use it. Normally however, CorelDRAW should detect that and issue a warning allowing you to override it.
I'd be interested in taking a look at this color profile to see if there is something we can improve. Locate the color management setting on your OS and see if you can find what profile is associated with you monitor and if you can find the actual file. Then you can forward it to me.
Do not use the 'none' color engine : that pretty much turns off the entire color management system which is why the CMYK color dont look dull on your monitor.
Also, if you want to see how your colors will look like once printed : be sure to use color proofing. Otherwise, what you see on screen is not an accurate representation of what it will look like once printed.
Thanks for your advice i've download a new color profile form
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm
for my monitor and added it in my monitor color management section under color profile. I hope this advice can help other people with the same problem.
Thanks
Hi Claude
If I understand Stellaarblue correctly, I'm experiencing exactly the same problem. Whenever I use white in X5 (on default settings), the colour on-screen is a light yellow/cream. The white areas of course' print' white but it makes life very difficult when designing and building graphics. Also in anything imported from earlier versions anything that had white aplied appears cream.
I don't have this problem working in any other software - Xara, Dreamweaver etc. though when I import white from another application into X5 , the result is a cream colour. I don't have these problems when I have the RGB profile settings set to the monitor (in my case, LGL194WT) but I'm not sure if this nulifies the "advances" of the new colour management.
I've attached samples of my settings.
colin frajbis said: Hi Claude If I understand Stellaarblue correctly, I'm experiencing exactly the same problem. Whenever I use white in X5 (on default settings), the colour on-screen is a light yellow/cream. The white areas of course' print' white but it makes life very difficult when designing and building graphics. Also in anything imported from earlier versions anything that had white aplied appears cream. I don't have this problem working in any other software - Xara, Dreamweaver etc. though when I import white from another application into X5 , the result is a cream colour. I don't have these problems when I have the RGB profile settings set to the monitor (in my case, LGL194WT) but I'm not sure if this nulifies the "advances" of the new colour management. I've attached samples of my settings.
I think that you need to fix Color Management in Corel. Go to Tools / Color Management and there choose right profile settings...
The problem that "colin frajbis" is having can not be fixed by changing something in CorelDraw because it is caused by a bad color profile assigned to the monitor in Windows. Also, this dialog you pasted here is an X4 dialog and is completely replaced and scattered throughout the app by multiple dialogs and/or new controls.
Before,you would have this central dialog because color management was an application wide setting : in other words, all document would use the same settings and nothing was saved in the file about it. Now, there is 2 main differences. The most important one is that in X5, it is document specific so every document have their own color setting. The second important difference is that we ask the OS (Windows) what are the profile assigned to your devices instead of having the user manually set it up in this former dialog.
Now back to the "yellow" problem. First : this has NO effect on the actual color data in your document : it only affects the display of them and only on your specific system because it is using this bad profile. Normally, we try to detect that a bad profile like this is assigned to your monitor and issue a warning the first time you launch the app. Perhaps we need to improve the detection mechanism and that is why I'd like to try your monitor profile to see what we can do.
For the right thing to do in your case is to simply unassigned your bad profile from your monitor in Windows. This will make the app use the standard sRGB profile which is adequate for most monitor and clearly better in your case because the profile you are using cause white to become yellowish.
If you can, please forward me the profile file so that I can look at it.
Thanks.
I really appreciate your imput. Where do I locate the profile file? So far I've gone Display/Settings/Colur Management. - but I'm not sure where to go for the actual file to copy. My monitor is an L194WT and my graphic card Ge Force 7500 LE.
Thanks, Colin
Try looking in
C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color
or the equivalent.
Located the colour files - there's 22 of them, icm or icc extensions. I've attached a screenshot.
I tried sending a copy but was told they are invalid file extensions to upload.
Login or create yourself an Live messenger account and add me as a contact : claudepeloquincorel@hotmail.com
Then, I'll allow you to upload it to my skydrive.
The file of interest is the first one in your list : 1-LG L194WT(Digital).icm
Thanks Colin for sending your profile.
I gave it a look over here and from what I can see, there is no problem with it which is why no warning is issued.
But of course, from your perspective, it does not change the fact that you find everything yellow. There are many explanations for this.
The simplest one is that your monitor is actually rendering white as blueish white and to compensate for that, LG is providing your this profile that will correct this. So what happens is that your are used to blueish whites which are displayed by non-color managed application. Consequently, when you start using correctly color managed application such as CorelDRAW, everything looks yellow to you.
That's just one possibility. There are others but I'm not knowledgeable enough about them. I'll ask Gennady Petrov, to reply to this thread. He'll try to explain other possibilities.
Usually there are two reasons why our users see yellow tint in X5 display. First - the monitor color profile is indeed malformed and really have strong color tint in colors that are supposed to be neutral. Some monitors' or laptops' OEMs are often guilty of pushing untested color profiles on their driver CDs and even in Windows' updates. We can detect this situation and suggest the solution, effectively turning display color management off. However, in 9 out of 10 cases the reason is completely different and there is nothing wrong with color profile or monitor itself. If monitor was initially set up with really high color temperature settings for white balance (~9000K), regardless of what story OSD controls tell you, the white would have blue tint. Human vision adapts for such color casts and very soon you would perceive this bluish white as perfectly neutral white. Now you introduce display color management and whites are displayed as they should - in standard 6500K. Compared to what you have seen before this has less blue tint - the result - white looks "yellowish" to you. But not to colorimeter or even to other person with different preconception about the "white". The fact that other parts of the desktop, like non color managed Internet Explorer or Notepad, are still showing original "bluish" whites does not help either as we tend to use them as reference. Often at this point in the explanation person becomes convinced that there is color management conspiracy at play, how could anybody claim that this yellowish color is neutral white? It is yellowish, I can see it with my own eyes! Showing the same content on different monitor side-by-side usually helps to put conspiracy theory aside ( at least for most people ). We can not do that for you, however using your LG color profile with our in-house monitors, which we know for a fact have rather decent color fidelity and set up properly, shows no yellow tint whatsoever.Xara, Dreamweaver, or even X4 with default settings, do not use display color management, X5 does. If you find X5 results distracting you can disable display color management - it might be not that critical for your particular monitor. Just remove all color profiles in OS display panel. For wide-gamut Dell U2410 the story is quite different, if one does not use display color management it is pretty much guaranteed that what you see on screen is NOT what most of your clients with regular LCD monitors will see. Dell U2410 is one of the best color monitors out there, and Dell usually knows what they are doing with color profiles, most likely the "yellowish" white one sees in X5 on this monitor is how the sRGB D65 white is supposed to look. The only way to tell for sure is to run hardware calibration. Or at least to try custom calibration profiles created by other Dell U2410 owners - http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm. It is not a substitute for hardware calibration but still some sort of reference.
Gennady
Thank you both for your very generous input. Good news is that I seem to have resolved the problem; I borrowed a friend's Colour Vision Spyder and recalibrated the monitor last night. The temperature was 6500 but the blue and red were both out of kilter. Since then white is white, whether created in X5 or imported from earlier versions. Oddly the property bar backgrounds have darkened in hue, but maybe they were always supposed to be that colur - that doesn't matter in the leastThanks again, Colin