I write this message for all corel users. In my company i use corel and i use creative suite cs5 for one year and creative CC for one month. Adobe have a grate products but i think there are a lot of programs and one persone can't use all. I find my corel x4 more quickley than illustrator/indesign cc 64 bit. I spend one day for paginate eight pages with illustrator and three hours with Corel. I studies many hours indesign and illustrator but i think almost people have requirement that adobe promotes, it's only a business move. I hope Corel continue to developer this software with this policy and best each distribution. A good graphic using adobe but does not have the ideas in head will never make big plans!!
Tomasi Matttia said:I hope Corel continue to developer this software with this policy and best each distribution.
I use CDR from 2008 and in my opinion as i saw, Corel not invest in cdr developing much. From version x4 i saw some changes ,but not big changes. Only the character formating and the color management are changed, in rest just modified. Export and pdf problems appears in x6 like in x4, no free video tutorials to understand color management in x5, x6 ,CorelDraw masters not handle professional the serious problems like eps exporting or pdf publishing, or the bugs ,they reject all or handle indifferent ,they do not like the criticism :) etc... In graphic design industry (professional print companys) as i saw Adobe products are more preferably.
x4 said:Corel not invest in cdr developing much.
Ok, how much have they invested, real numbers please?
What factual information is your opinion based upon?
Not being mean, just real.
Maybe he means, "effort". Not much effort invested. At least, that's how I read it. And I agree with that sentiment. I always have.
KuttyJoe said:Maybe he means, "effort". Not much effort invested. At least, that's how I read it. And I agree with that sentiment. I always have.
Now you got me curious. What did you use to measure "not much effort"? I mean how do you know?
I am asking because I do not recall your name as participating in the creation/testing of x6. I was there throughout and I totally dis agree with your statement. The effort put forward was extreme and extended beyond the normal, countless hours by so many people. I can say no more.
I say the effort was not enough but obviously I can't prove anything. You say the effort was extended and extreme, but obviously, you can't prove anything. It's interesting that you would attempt such an argument when you have no more proof than anyone else. What I do have though is the resulting products. I have experienced them over a period of about 2 decades. I also have competing products. I have all of their starting points so I can see how much they've progressed over time. So what I can measure extremely well is the result of all of their efforts. So what I focus on is the thing that matters. The result. You can talk all you want about somebody's efforts and accuse people of personal attacks. But what matters to people who spend money and buy products is the quality of the product they've bought.
If you want to talk about effort, you should look at the last 20 years. Look at where CorelDraw Suite was then and look at where it is today. Look at where Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator was 20 years ago and where they are today. Then you can say something realistic about effort.
Neither I, nor you can determine what Adobe and Corel developers have been doing with their time. What we can both see easily though is the result of their efforts. That's really what matters.
KuttyJoe said:Then you can say something realistic about effort.
I have posted a Photoshop image that is a prime example of where Adobe has taken Photoshop. See if you can tell what's technological issue are with this image. I'll tell you that almost all current images from Photoshop suffer from it.
You post up an image where one has to find a needle in a haystack that represents a problem with Photoshop quality, while always speaking well of a competing product which may crash by the minute, hour, or day. A product being used by almost no one. A product that is barely supported by the company that sells it. But you find some secret, hidden issue with the one of the greatest programs ever created, and actually challenge me to find the problem hidden in the picture.
First the problem is not hidden in the picture, the problem is blatantly displayed for all to see if you view it in a professional display application. Second I use the entire X6 graphic suite daily on Vista Ultimate 32 bit, Windows 7 Pro 64 bit in the large and grand format sign and graphics industry. While I need to be aware of the limits of the 32 bit system the 64 bit system eliminates those issues. If your systems crashes in my opinion it's most likely your creation and or systems use procedures or your system configuration and or lack of proper maintenance.
KuttyJoe said:You post up an image where one has to find a needle in a haystack
Ok, go here www.graphictechnology.com/image/image.tif
You can download the image here, it is an RGB image, prophoto color space, view it in Photoshop, Photo-PAINT X6, PaintShop Pro and Painter. The reality is that only in Photo-PAINT can you see the issue before it is in print. This issue has in the last 5 years become such a serious problem that it is rendering many Photoshop image nearly useless.
This image is one of many that is supplied to my client by a photographe/Photoshop user, this photographer sends the images to our sister company for ink jet prints. At my clients request it is unknown to the photographer that I will get many of them for later editing to use in high quality output to a European print company. They say he is sensitive! All of this correction of his work is done by me in Corel Photo-PAINT X6.
The most common issue demonstrated by this image is the severe over sharpening of the image, so much so that we now have our client demanding that the photographer give them the RAW image so we can process through Corel AfterShot Pro and Photo-PAINT X6.
This over sharpening is caused by the end user over sharpening the image due to the softened display that has happened in Photoshop over the last several releases in combination with the use of poor quality displays. This combination has resulted in a serious quality issue . The combination of poor display in PS and the LED or LCD displays does not allow the user to know that the image has been ruined. Once an image has been severely over sharpened it cannot be repaired.
Yes these poor quality images look better on low end systems with poor displays but when you print them many times they display a distinct morie pattern on press and on some ink jet and digital devices. Unfortunately over the last several years low end systems and non-professional work flows is where Photoshop use has migrated. Maybe they did this to increase sales to a broader base.
I know that this is an unpopular view of Photoshop work and use but I don't make the files that come in I just have to deal with them. Tthey have gotten to be on one end of the scale, poor and on the other end just awful. Receiving a decent image is a rare thing indeed.
David Milisock said:If your systems crashes in my opinion it's most likely your creation and or systems use procedures or your system configuration and or lack of proper maintenance.
There you go. Right on schedule. Those are the types of LOL responses that you always get when you start talking about Corel products constant crashing. It's always pilot error. But somehow I can avoid crashes almost completely if I just use products made by another company. Adobe products have zero problems with any of the things that supposedly crash CorelDraw and Photo-Paint, but somehow it's always the user and his system to blame. No matter what system, it's always the system. Whatever system I've used for decades, is always something wrong. Never simply that the software is buggy and crashing.
Another super high quality product I've been using recently is Manga Studio. This program has Photoshop-like quality and reliability and costs a whopping $79.00! I've crashed it exactly 1 time in the past 9 months. The truth is, all software is not created equal.
David Milisock said:This issue has in the last 5 years become such a serious problem that it is rendering many Photoshop image nearly useless.
OK. When are you going to send the memo out to the world? I'm sure that EVERYONE would like to know about this so they can start using Photo-Paint.
David Milisock said:I know that this is an unpopular view of Photoshop work and use but I don't make the files that come in I just have to deal with them.
It's hard not to be sarcastic in replying to what you're saying here. But you do realize that the entire world is using Photoshop, right? I mean, if the problem is as great as you say, then shouldn't there be more people than you talking about it? And if they were, I suspect that Adobe would have moved to solve the problem. Is it possible that people just don't view this "problem" with the same kind of seriousness as you? Like, maybe it's not as big a problem as you're making it out to be? Can I just say that maybe it's just pilot error? LOL Maybe you're just doing it wrong? I do know this. There are settings in Photoshop that an aliased image to appear anti aliased. The first time I saw it was probably CS4, maybe CS5. I immediately disable the settings that caused it and went back to work. Maybe that's all you need to do.
Yes. And another truth is that the prices are not equal too. It is all about the worth you get for money paid. And IMO CorelDRAW is more value for money than any other apps, that I know, in competition.
KuttyJoe said:The truth is, all software is not created equal.
It is obvious that you may have to maintain certain conditions, follow certain workflow to get the software run well. If a software needs your OS to have .NET or any thing else installed it has to be installed. Period. Tomorrow some other company may come out with an application that may run without any OS. Would you expect everyone to follow that and invest in programming efforts to create or convert their app that also runs like the other ? Personally I do not get much of CorelDRAW crashes but I would be more happy than any one else if I could stop all of my crashes with what ever I use and how ever I use and maintain my system.
For every thing to happen, there are few things assumed. You may find this a funny example but if a living creature needs to breath for being alive, one has to breath..
Anand Dixit said:It is obvious that you may have to maintain certain conditions, follow certain workflow to get the software run well.
That opinion is not even shared by the software's manufacturer. Go ahead and read the system requirements for CorelDraw Suite and any software you wish. If you have to regularly clean out a temp folder or other nonsensical computer "maintenance" in order for CorelDraw to not crash, shouldn't Corel point out this fact up front?
Anand Dixit said:If a software needs your OS to have .NET or any thing else installed it has to be installed. Period.
That kind of thing is obvious and didn't need to be said. If .Net is needed, it will be mentioned during installation that without .NET, the software won't complete the installation. If it does install without .NET, I would fault the software's manufacturer for attempting to install itself when necessary components are not present.
Anand Dixit said:For every thing to happen, there are few things assumed. You may find this a funny example but if a living creature needs to breath for being alive, one has to breath.
Here's a less abstract and more accurate example. We have a single environment (a computer) in which creatures (software) are living and operating perfectly well, day in and out, year over year. Except one creature. This one is not getting along so well. If you change the environment, you may cause problems with all the other software that is running well. But that is exactly the advice being proposed by you, even though Corel is not offering that same advice.