I write this message for all corel users. In my company i use corel and i use creative suite cs5 for one year and creative CC for one month. Adobe have a grate products but i think there are a lot of programs and one persone can't use all. I find my corel x4 more quickley than illustrator/indesign cc 64 bit. I spend one day for paginate eight pages with illustrator and three hours with Corel. I studies many hours indesign and illustrator but i think almost people have requirement that adobe promotes, it's only a business move. I hope Corel continue to developer this software with this policy and best each distribution. A good graphic using adobe but does not have the ideas in head will never make big plans!!
Tomasi Matttia said:I hope Corel continue to developer this software with this policy and best each distribution.
I use CDR from 2008 and in my opinion as i saw, Corel not invest in cdr developing much. From version x4 i saw some changes ,but not big changes. Only the character formating and the color management are changed, in rest just modified. Export and pdf problems appears in x6 like in x4, no free video tutorials to understand color management in x5, x6 ,CorelDraw masters not handle professional the serious problems like eps exporting or pdf publishing, or the bugs ,they reject all or handle indifferent ,they do not like the criticism :) etc... In graphic design industry (professional print companys) as i saw Adobe products are more preferably.
x4 said:Corel not invest in cdr developing much.
Ok, how much have they invested, real numbers please?
What factual information is your opinion based upon?
Not being mean, just real.
Maybe he means, "effort". Not much effort invested. At least, that's how I read it. And I agree with that sentiment. I always have.
KuttyJoe said:Maybe he means, "effort". Not much effort invested. At least, that's how I read it. And I agree with that sentiment. I always have.
Now you got me curious. What did you use to measure "not much effort"? I mean how do you know?
I am asking because I do not recall your name as participating in the creation/testing of x6. I was there throughout and I totally dis agree with your statement. The effort put forward was extreme and extended beyond the normal, countless hours by so many people. I can say no more.
I say the effort was not enough but obviously I can't prove anything. You say the effort was extended and extreme, but obviously, you can't prove anything. It's interesting that you would attempt such an argument when you have no more proof than anyone else. What I do have though is the resulting products. I have experienced them over a period of about 2 decades. I also have competing products. I have all of their starting points so I can see how much they've progressed over time. So what I can measure extremely well is the result of all of their efforts. So what I focus on is the thing that matters. The result. You can talk all you want about somebody's efforts and accuse people of personal attacks. But what matters to people who spend money and buy products is the quality of the product they've bought.
If you want to talk about effort, you should look at the last 20 years. Look at where CorelDraw Suite was then and look at where it is today. Look at where Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator was 20 years ago and where they are today. Then you can say something realistic about effort.
Neither I, nor you can determine what Adobe and Corel developers have been doing with their time. What we can both see easily though is the result of their efforts. That's really what matters.
KuttyJoe said:It's interesting that you would attempt such an argument when you have no more proof than anyone else.
I was there. I am an eye witness to what went into this product. I was directly involved. I personally spend countless hours there. The effort was not lacking, guaranteed. How much more proof do you need than a participating eye witness? Of course you can dismiss what I say, that is your choice and I will respect that. I mean you really do not know me or my creditability.
I do not wish to argue with anyone. If there is an issue with the pdf and eps thing perhaps, just perhaps it's lack of knowledge? See Dave M's book on color management. I asked to see the offending cdr because if something is broken I want to see and understand it.
KuttyJoe said:If you want to talk about effort, you should look at the last 20 years. Look at where CorelDraw Suite was then and look at where it is today. Look at where Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator was 20 years ago and where they are today. Then you can say something realistic about effort.
I think you got production and marketing in the same thought and there is a big difference. I will agree Adobe is much more aggressive and put a lot more effort and dollars into their marketing, that is obvious to me. I have seen this over the same past 20 years. I attend a lot of trade shows such as NAB, video and print shows over the years and sadly watched Corel disappear from that scene. If I recall Photopaint was used in the original Spiderman production.
Draw has not fallen behind AI but that is a matter of work flow methodology and personal choice. I prefer Photoshop over Photopaint and I will also agree Photopaint needs a lot of attention to catch up. On the other hand PhotoPaint is not sold stand alone but is part of a graphic suite. No excuse in my eyes but I understand that.
KuttyJoe said:Neither I, nor you can determine what Adobe and Corel developers have been doing with their time
I know what Corel developer's were.are doing but I cannot speak to the Adobe developer's efforts, I have no idea good or bad. Judge the products for what they are. Thumbs up on Draw, thumbs up on Photoshop.
I think the real point of this thread was an issue with eps/psd files that got married up to "it's because lack of effort and investment" and a direct attack on "Corel masters" and their efforts here which are free and that is what took a good issue south as far as I am considered. Seems once again no good dead goes unpunished? Lets see the offending cdr and see what is really going on. As for the rest it's starting to sound like a political argument and we certainly have more than enough of that.
Again please don't take what I say personal, it's not. Lets address the issues and get them fixed if they exist and lets all help each other acquire working knowledge. We all do the same thing with the same sfuff.
bob said:I was there. I am an eye witness to what went into this product. I was directly involved. I personally spend countless hours there. The effort was not lacking, guaranteed. How much more proof do you need than a participating eye witness? Of course you can dismiss what I say, that is your choice and I will respect that. I mean you really do not know me or my creditability.
I don't need to doubt whether you were there or not, but just being there is not very meaningful. You still can't say what exactly everyone was doing. You can say that there were people sitting in front of computers. Much more than that is hard to say.
I read a story recently of a guy who was showing up for work everyday and doing nothing. He was actually paying a man in China to do his job. He was found to be looking at cat videos all day long. LOL Please don't freak out. I'm not suggesting that Corel employees were doing any such thing, but I'm saying that you can't possibly keep an eye on anyone. And I'm also saying that the result of their efforts can not be compared to the results of the people working at Adobe. Not if we simply look at CorelDraw, Photo-Paint, Illustrator, and Photoshop. That is all that really matters.
Then there's Photo-Paint. During some upgrade cycles, between nothing, and practically nothing was done with the product since version 8. Yet you claim Corel employees were there making this extreme effort which you personally witnessed, and yet somehow managing to put no new features in the product during some upgrade cycles. For over a dozen years. Reality and results just don't support your statement. We look at Photo-Paint today and even the strongest supporters are no longer disagreeing with what I'm saying. They know that Corel abandoned this product. I don't need to dispute what you're saying. I can just look at the resulting products.
Hi KuttyJoe,
KuttyJoe said:just being there is not very meaningful. You still can't say what exactly everyone was doing. You can say that there were people sitting in front of computers. Much more than that is hard to say.
You are so wrong because you are making assumptions without any basis or facts. Because of my nda contract I cannot say anything further or detail anything that is done. With all due respect to you, you are making a statement of non fact based on lack of knowledge. I personally guarantee what you say above is dead wrong. OK you do sit at a computer, I will give you that and dismiss the rest based on real facts. Unless you join the team and do the work you will really never know.
KuttyJoe said:I read a story recently of a guy who was showing up for work everyday and doing nothing.
Sounds like you are talking about everybody in Washington, DC. not Corel. We are way off base here so unless we are addressing a software issue and trying to help I am dropping out of this. I should have ignored the personal shots taken at all the power users here, my weakness, I know these folks and they do not deserve what was said about them here.
What happened to the cdr/pdf thing.
Bob, I'm gonna keep this simple. Rather than talk about extreme efforts, show us the results of that effort. Or, agree with me that they don't exist. There's nothing else worth talking about. Nobody cares whether or not what you say is true. What matters is the results.