This useless joke of a software crashed 6 no 8 times today 5 times friday 4 or 5 times on thursday I dont care to think about the beggining of last week. YEAH THIS SOFTWARE IS WONDERFUL Makes me wonder what the hell Im using it for.... Oh yeah I dont have a choice. Laughable huh? Yeah whats more.... EVERYONE blames my system HA! My system is solid. Strange how CORELDRAW WAS CRAP on 3 other machines and countless versions except 12. Version 7 and up to X4 Suck...... whats the X for ?10? NO its a warning LOL!!!!
I dont require a reply. Just needed to express my frustration and let those who are not familiar with Corel know to think twice before Blowing thier hard earned $$$$$$
Suport? what suport hahahahah
I dont have that problem myself. Sorry to hear you have a bad day. Use the F8 key, re-install, or why not see if it is something else bugging in the background. A classic dll file?? Have you been installing and reinstalling different software on myour computer?. Hey there many reason to why yu might have a bad day with CDGS.
Well lets see. Ive used Corel Draw since version 7. How many operating systems has windows come out with since then?. Well Ive had Corel Draw On Win 95 It sucked then. Crashed all the time. Everyday. On win 2000 it Crashed all the time every day too.. I was on nt for a short time. It crashed then too but had more problems with color and image flipping than crashing. Had Corel on XP with countless service packs (win) and have never had more problems. Its not like a person can go back to win 95 (if they wanted to.) So. How many computers would one have to buy to stay current. 3 or 4 Ive been through. So Then how can it be A system problem. You buy 5 pairs of shoes and they all hurt you in the same place. Think its the shoes or your foot? So thats cleared that up. I work for a bonified multimillion dollar per anum company. We cannot afforord to risk Pirated software. We got one of those SUCKER accounts where every time there's an upgrade its sent to us. So no its not Pirated. The problems I have, no-one else will 'fess up to. I cannot seriously believe that no one else has problems. The other staff that I work with Cuss out their installs of this "software" Just not as much as me. Perhaps Im just more vocal.
"Hey Andy, Mine works fine"! Good for you! You are very very very lucky. Perhaps you dont have one or two day turn arounds with complex drawings. where your fingers move faster than ur dual processor 512 ram 2 gig machine can keep up!
This newest system was wiped clean. Used a 3 or 5 times wipe util to clean it. CorelDraw was first on after windows. So........ figure that one out.
Problems....
1) Use the node pick tool to area select nodes with geometry behind. It will select it too then crash.
2) Crash and corel crashes again during the crash. HAH thats frigging great. LAUGHABLE
3) Dig select until you hit a bitmap. Crash
4) open a document with missing fonts. Bitstream kicks in, crashes Adobe Distiller then hangs permanantly.
5) Open a document. it crashes and offers a rescue then crashes when opening the rescue.
6) Power clip a screen shot. Will more than likely make the file un-openable again.
7) Close a file with a days work. Come in and open it the next day to an empty page.
8) spend a while arranging layers and naming them. Go into a powerclip and come back out AFTER TWENTY BLOODY HOURS and find your layers have mysteriously renamed themselves.
9) Layers Dissapear but select an object on that layer and the layer name still shows up in the property bar.
10) Layer Docker dissapears completely. I have a nice desktop to look at through the hole though. LAUGHABLE
11) Power clip into a group. Happens accidentally but is still possible. Ouch.
12) Open a document. Crash. Stran
Stefan Lindblad said: I dont have that problem myself. Sorry to hear you have a bad day. Use the F8 key, re-install, or why not see if it is something else bugging in the background. A classic dll file?? Have you been installing and reinstalling different software on myour computer?. Hey there many reason to why yu might have a bad day with CDGS.
there is soooooo much more that I cannot recall right now.
ok the f8 thing. Hmmmmmm I dont believe I have EVER seen software that claims on itself that you have to reset the workspace because it gets unstable. HOW WEAK. Thats complete BS. (Corel) Try coding a solid GUI instead. Isnt that what we pay for??? Lets just stop patching patched patches with hot fix glue. stop releasing x4 x5 x6 x7 x8 and concentrate on a solid app. Charge a lil more and things will work.
I have done everything in my power to get this app to 'behave'. It wont. So now I am committed to slamming it since over the last ten or so years ive been steadily and increasingly slammed by it.
Everyone says OOOOOOH I dont have that problem or We cant recreate that. Well then I guess Im a liar and this is all a figment of my imagination. I enjoy wasting more time after crashing, posting grievences. Trust me. I do give credit where credit is due. For instance..... thank god after 5 years of complaining Corel finally changed the double click bitmap annoyance. I think, too, that some but not all of the bitmap effects with transparency work properly now aswell. The node count on contours, I believe has been addressed also. Thats wonderful. It helps with the mem load.
Fix the powerclip, Fix the node tool, Fix the text. My god fix the text. Scrap bitstream or something I dont know what but It sux. Fix the layers pallette.
Well Im done.... sorry for all that but hey......
with deepest sorrow and regret,
Andy
Rob. Im affraid I cant post any of my work images as they are all client / company confidential. I do interior Design and merchandising displays for casinos across the nation and some overseas. Casinos are weird about public knowledge of the interior of their establishments. I had to sign a non disclosure In order to work here.
I looked at your work and I think it is quite impressive. The difference that I can see between your work and mine is... yours seems to be exlusivley vector art. Now it stands to reason that a vector program would handle vector art well, however, on my end it is absolutley necessary to include bitmap images aswell. The client will typically ask us to super impose the before and after images of an existing photographed area. I am constantly trying to fake natural finishes and extremley organic elements such as stone wood, fabric and detailed finishes like swirled metals perforated metals and lighting. I have to use many lenses; additive subtractive, multiply, red, green, blue etc. on top of that, creating soft edged light effects and shadows with their amorphous shapes do not lend themselves well to blending effects etc. Also my work is done primarily in RGB color space as many (not all) of the final results of my work will end up being back illuminated (transient light vs reflective) Realism is the goal. Unfortunatley CorelDraw seems to be the only scalable vector graphics app that offers a true to life scale option. Our drawings are created at 1:48 1/4" scale. duplicated and scaled up again at 1:12 or 1:8 or so. Once they're approved they go upto 1:1. Max 46" tall and 96" wide. There are some real long wait times there. The size is not the problem though. Thats just processing minuites. Tryi introducing a plethora of bitmaps into your drawings with transparencies and effects and such. See if the devil comes to visit you then.. If Corel simply stated that they their app did not support bitmaps and the like then I would not be surprised by what I go through but they claim Draw does, hence the bitmap effects roll out and so on. I will do as much bmp editing in Photoshop as I can but there comes a point when I have to switch to vector. Our drawings / presentations, once sold go over to our engineering dept. They require vector images in order to translate to CAD. I have over the past few years moved into 3ds max and Mental Ray to do my work but the turn around time is much longer and it is unfair to my asscociates that do not understand the program. If they need to revise one of my drawings, they have to start from scratch, if I'm not around. Yes they do the same work as me but as a Senior Designer I am expected to step up the game and do some "mind blowing work" well thats what they tell me anyway. Many of my woes, though, seem to be with Text and Bitsream Nav. Ugh! We have Literally tens of thousands of Fonts we need to reference (trust me they're not local. Ive been down that path and regretted it.) So with Bitsream Loaded and ready to go, one would think that at most you would wait a couple of seconds to load a font or two maybe three or four maximum. Five minuites and up just doesnt cut the mustard Y'know. Sometimes a doc wont open at all one day and will open slowly another. That I do not understand. Anyway, there you go. agian I appologise for not posting work but as a professional Im sure you understand. Thanks again, Rob, for your time and input.
Regards,
Hi Andy!
I understand your "non-disclosure" situation well. I occasionally do work for Honda and some of the other car manufacturers as well (I know... a long way from medical illustration) and I can't show those to anyone either (non-disclosure agreements). A pain, really, because it's some of my best work and no one ever gets to view it.
Yep, your right. I avoid bitmaps like the plague! I even create vector textures with little dots and such to keep from using the textures feature in Corel.
Maybe that's part of your crashing problem. I'm guessing that your image files (with all the bitmaps, etc.) are quite large. What's the file size of your typical image? This whole thing might be a memory related issue.
Rob
Rob, My files are anywhere from 10 megs upto I think my largest was about 128 megs. not entirley sure about that. But check this out. I import Jpgs daily, into draw and right before I wrote this I got this error. I hope you can see it. Weird. Try using the import command to import a Jpeg and Corel tells me It doesnt want to . It says to try to open it Like a vector drawing..... Think iIm gonna crash so I'ld better save LOL.
Andy! I'm reeling... 128 megs! That image I sent you was 200k in vector. I guess I'm living a sheltered life. I've had files that big in photo shop in the past, but I thought I could smell smoke coming from my tower when I was doing it .
This may be why your crashing. There are some pretty high end tech wizards on this forum. I'm wondering if one of them could suggest a memory management solution for this. I know there are ways to reconfigure how Corel uses memory. Maybe this is something that would help.
Might be worth starting a new thread entitled "128 megs crashes draw" or something like that and see if one of those wizards has a solution.
Rob,
128mb isn`t the end of the world. Did a box layout and the file (bitmaps, transparencies, vector and text) was over 325MB with files saved as .cdr and .ai. in both RGB and CYMK versions and converted to .jpg clip mask segments from the .cdr file to the client for viewing. My biggest "nuisance" (but a God sent necessity) was the Auto Backup every 20 minutes. More than once did I think the program had locked up untill I saw the Progress Bar moving. Had one "crash" in X3 but none so far in X4 while using thst file.
My worst problem (in X3....hasn't happened in X4) was, when having multiple 14mb (12-16 images) camera images on the screen at the same time, resaving the multi image document because about 10% of the time I had one of the bitmaps mysteriously changed to a .eps file format. I got the "Error when saving" window and would have to click on all the bitmaps to find the bum one and convert it back to a bitmap. Never found out why that happened.
I've had problems, like everyone else, and the program has shut down ( only once with X4 so far...when my answering machine came on during an auto backup of that 325mb file) But I've never experienced ( 4 computers, Win 95 to XP, corel V4,6,9,10 -short lived-,11,X3,X4) but never anything like the problems that Andy has described.
BTW: Andy.......Are you running Corel from separate installs on each the office computers or from a common (network server) source ? Installs from disc or download ?
Ted
Rob, 128mb isn`t the end of the world. Did a box layout and the file (bitmaps, transparencies, vector and text) was over 325MB with files saved as .cdr and .ai. in both RGB and CYMK versions and converted to .jpg clip mask segments from the .cdr file to the client for viewing. My biggest "nuisance" (but a God sent necessity) was the Auto Backup every 20 minutes. More than once did I think the program had locked up untill I saw the Progress Bar moving. Had one "crash" in X3 but none so far in X4 while using thst file. My worst problem (in X3....hasn't happened in X4) was, when having multiple 14mb (12-16 images) camera images on the screen at the same time, resaving the multi image document because about 10% of the time I had one of the bitmaps mysteriously changed to a .eps file format. I got the "Error when saving" window and would have to click on all the bitmaps to find the bum one and convert it back to a bitmap. Never found out why that happened. I've had problems, like everyone else, and the program has shut down ( only once with X4 so far...when my answering machine came on during an auto backup of that 325mb file) But I've never experienced ( 4 computers, Win 95 to XP, corel V4,6,9,10 -short lived-,11,X3,X4) but never anything like the problems that Andy has described. BTW: Andy.......Are you running Corel from separate installs on each the office computers or from a common (network server) source ? Installs from disc or download ? Ted Edward Thurstonweb:http://groups.msn.com/HSMPHOTOSportsPhotography http://community.coreldraw.com/forums/p/6214/22514.aspx#22514
Thank you all For suggestions. I will take a look at up dating drivers for video card but our IT dept stays up on that pretty good as well as keeping windows current.
Yani, I do all of the things you suggested in the bullet points. Only I dont always clean up the file space (drawing desktop) as I frequently have to come back and revise using elements that are tough to duplicate. Converting things to bmp IMOP is the best thing to do espesially lenses and bitmaps with lenses applied. Most of the crashes I experience do not seem to be file size related. There is no prejudice when crashing. I have on many many occasions had files that just would not save, at all, no matter what. I would go through the drawing endlessly deleting objects and groups of objects looking for the offending item until finally through fits of futility I would ctrl A and delete everything. Even then the file would not save. Hmmmmm. Well I have started multiple save as attempts and that IS the only way.
Perhaps a good thing for the next version would be, as Autodesk does with Max, is to include a lil plus button next to the save as dialog. Pressing adds an increment number onto the file name so you dont have to futz around with renaming the files. Very convenient and everyone loves pressing buttons.
Well here I go on another day of fun. I will ask IT to look at all my drivers and make sure Im up to date.
Thanx all
Well guys,
Obviously, I'm a light weight user ! I guess I've been looking at Draw from my own narrow point of view. I had no idea many of you run that size of file.
That's what's great about this forum... you learn so much! I'll just sit back on this and read the messages. Looking forward to learning more.
This has been an interesting post to catch up on! You don't work under some high tension electrical wires do you?!
Obviously not a perfect world... I've had my taste of frustration too, but have to echo that I've not experienced anything close to this. I just finished reading a ZDNet tech article about drivers and Vista. It's true, plenty of headaches (especially in the early days) are caused by the combination of hardware choices; however, many manufacturers have finally written mature drivers. I'm always suspicious and one of the first places I look are drivers if I'm having issues. Second is the video card, it seems to really affect performance and stability. With the size of your files I would also look at whether the ram size and if your virtual memory settings are appropriate. Next, does your company run digital management software (e.g. Canto Cumulus), this could have a bearing.
I spent the past 6 months researching font management software. I can't tell you how many times I found bad comments about the competition and glowing comments about Font Naviagtor (from other than a Corel site). I do believe that Font Navigator lacks many features (creating a pdf font catalog would be a great addition) and needs a huge infusion of "pick-me-up." But I can't remember ever having it cause a crash (although I have an annoying message that pops up everytime I close the program, that the font group doesn't contain any fonts, started after I deleted a group). Anyway, I digress. Are the fonts shared across a network? This might be causing some issues. If so, perhaps you can load the fonts as a library on your drive and then only install/remove what you need for each project.
Finally, I have to credit Foster in his great newsletter for this source. Go to http://www.spiralgraphics.biz/index.htm and take a look at Genetica for creating textures. I think this is something you would really use, especially since you are working in an RGB world.
I have no idea of what to tell you except that I just closed a map file that had two images in it for a total of over 700 megabytes and several vector and text objects. Not a typical file but surely not the largest I've worked on.
As a support technician myself I would recommend an environmental/work habit study.