X7 pure junk X8 more junk is there anyone capable in Canada of making a quality program anymore?
I also suspect BAD WORK HABITS by the user. Adobe designs their software and has training for some of the absolute worst work habits in the world.
People who use Adobe products most often want to bring their BAD HABITS with them.
I'll post two examples first a MAC Illustrator file that was letters each one was a gradient transparency with a clipping path instead of a simple gradient. Problem is that AI has issues with clipping paths causing color shifts during prints. This however is how Adobe teaches people to design. Print that with a background like the client wants and the shifts look like a color test.
It isn't Corel becoming irrelevant it's users making themselves irrelevant.
Here's another one a banner with what should simply be a vector solid print gray on top of black but instead it's a white with transparency and small type that will make the entire project unusable. Imagine this as a banner designed by AN ADOBE PROFESSIONAL to be read at 75 feet.
This is why I no longer support Adobe products, it's the adobe users, now those Adobe users what Corel users to make the same mistakes.
Corel users have it bad enough with the ability to customize as much as they can, so many of these customizations cause issues especially as the application upgrades.
Myon it's worse now then ever, couple up an educational graphics program run by people who have no idea what they're doing with the new instant gratification attitude of the students. Even many of those who are not students have no real desire for quality or to invest in themselves with good old fashioned sweat!
I was lecturing at a technical institute and ask the students to ask their professors to name the three technologies that governed the viability of a graphics application. I said during our break ask and write down the answers and after the break we'll discuss their responses.
Well postscript, MAC and Adobe were the answers give if any were given.
After the break I described the controlling technologies were the (GDI) Graphic Device interface (CUPS) Common Unix Printing System for MAC, (same as GDI), postscript and the ICC to the students.
The more an application complied with these technologies the more viable it was for their profession. No need to pay a fortune, just learn how to use what's available.
I guess where I went wrong is when, due to their professors not knowing this answer I suggested they petition the school for a refund. [;)]
Myron said:I have to fix every sign design that comes to me from adobe
I understand your pain, about 6 weeks ago we actually got an AI file in that was perfect, 4 of us just looked at the monitor in awe. It was not a difficult file but it was perfect.
Phil1923 said: I have to supplement CDGS X6 with Adobe Photoshop and Corel PaintshopPro
Thousands of users on a couple forums think differently, what does that say about you?
Phil1923 said:Hi Milisock, THAT'S ALL BS. 1. Adobe and Adobe alone appears in every single book on graphics in the book store. 2. Adobe and Adobe alone appears in every single graphics magazine in the book stores. 3. You yourself use Adobe developments every time that you create a PDF file or Postscript. 4. You've never been able to identify a single feature of CDGS that makes it more desirable than Adobe products. 5. I can name twenty or so leading graphics artists who have disappeared from here in the last ten years. They deserted for Adobe.
Let's talk clear about this: Adobe is called "the industry standard" because it was the first company on develop a printing language. When Apple develop the Apple II, Adobe launched the Postscript language for the Apple Laserwriter printers. Along the years, Postscript was the base of the entire printing inductry. Nobody develop any other language that could compate with Postsctipt or that has almost the same features and capabilities Hewlett-Packard use the HP-GL and PCL langauges for their printers but it's totaly useless for high-qaulity printing or color separations. Then, Adobe become the standard just because there was not any alternative.
Along the years, Adobe develop the EPS file format for file exchange, and later it was replaced by the PDF, who has a software for view and manage (Acrobat) and a free viewer (Acrobat Reader). Once again, nobody develop never a file format that could compete or even replace the PDF. Once again, Adobe become the standard just because there was not any alternative.
Adobe wasn't the first option for Mac user. thought the years, they use Aldus and Macromedia programs more. But, since Adobe buy ldus first and Macromedia later, there's no option. If you have Mac, you should use Adobe for design. there're a few other program, but still there's not an alternative.Once again, Adobe become the standard on mac just because there was not any alternative. And yes, Corel never develop a native Mac version of CorelDRAW, only some very bad translations of the Windows version that never worked fine under Mac, If Corel has done a native Mac version on the first eight versions, the history could be different. But instead this, Cowpland spend time and money on develop an useless CorelOffice (and now, we have two CorelOffice suites, each one compete against the other but almost nobody use it). Cowpland believes that the rival of Corel was Microsoft, then doesn't put attention to Adobe.
That doesn't means their program are bad, but it's not so good as some people believe. Of course, InDesign is faster than CorelDRAW on manage large files..but the difference is the concept of program. If you develop a CorelDRAW without effects (blend, extrude, transparencies, etc) and you place closed files (TIF, JPG, EPS, PDF) without convert nor edit, of course the result will be a faster program. Yes, something like the old CorelVentura. Remember that Corel adquire the language management system of Houghton Mifflin, the historic provider of PageMaker, forcing Adobe to replace it with the Proximity dictionary.
Phil1923 said:1. X7 was useless to me because I could not get CPT thumbnails.
You can't judge an entire program for the experience of only one user. CorelDRAW X6 and X8 use the same thumbnails system than X7 (the Corel Shell extension) and both worked fine for you (and for almost all users). Ok, you've the right to find one negative point on each version, but that doesn't means the program was useless for all people. Around the world, hundreds, thousands,hundreds of thousands,millions people use CorelDRAW for their job and business. They produce a wide range of products, from sign industry to printing industry, The program should be improved, and although most bugs are already fixed, still there're problem for solve. For that doesn't means the program doesn't work or it's useless.