I would think with at great photo editor like PhotoPaint there would be more 'Photo' chatter.
Hi Rikk,
I'm a very new user of CorelDRAW X5 and am only starting to play around the edges with PP. Before this, I was, and am a dedicated user of Corel's PSP X3 as this is their leading or specialist image editing program, over PP. The are some feature differences between the two but from what I can gather, PSP X3 is the superior program. Maybe many other users are also using the same program instead of PP which is why the chat so minimal for it.
In fact, with all my image editing I bounce between ACDSee Pro for my RAW processing, image cataloging and border/frame edges, and use PSP X3 for all my creative stuff. If I do use PP, it would be for their additional creative filters that PSP X3 lacks. But I'm happy to contribute along to this site as I get more involved with PP. Just have to dedicate the time to it while learning X5 so I can be more familiar.
Cheers.
Hi Phil,
I've started digging into PP today by sussing our it's object / layer gallery, and am very impressed so far. I have a sneaky feeling this program is going to be more advanced than PSP X3. Not knowing anything about PP, I thought I'd open a PSD file (unsure if it would), and although no thumbnail image was displayed, it opened the file with all its layers in tact. What impressed me though was as I drifted my mouse down over the different layer styles, my photo would dynamically change to that style in real time. I was able to quickly run through all the layer styles seeing what ones looked good. In X3, you can't do this. You have to select, then apply the layer style to see its effect. PP makes this selection process lightning quick compared to X3. Even the slections tool had more options than X3 I noticed.
One thing I don't get though: if layers and objects are the same thing, then why not just stick to the one term Why have two different words for the same thing? I don't get Corel or the graphics community on this. I know the photographic world is used to knowing what layers are, so why not carry this through into Vector programs as well. The whole "object" thing was starting to throw me a little. Not now though.
I'll keep playing. Cheers.
Guys, a quick question in converting 48bit color to 24bit.
By converting my PSD files in PP from 48bit to 24bit color (so PSP X3 can read them, and another plus for PP that it can read 48bit), how much quiality am I really losing? Visually, I can't see any difference but I don't really know. I thought I'd ask the question.
Colorblast said:By converting my PSD files in PP from 48bit to 24bit color (so PSP X3 can read them, and another plus for PP that it can read 48bit), how much quiality am I really losing?
Wow you really want to create a crap storm don't you!
In reality I archive as 48 bit and convert to 24 bit for output because most output devices cannot use the 48 bit. I do this because in the future more devices will make use of 48 bit.
This argument will rage for many years, in reality we are about 5 to 10 years away from total 48 but output acceptance.
Hi David, No, no crap storm intended. I'm genuinely interested to know these things. If I don't ask, I don't learn and I'm in this creative-graphics thing for the long term. Besides - blame Rikk, he started this thread. (sorry Rikk, just having some fun).
I appreciate that David, that answers and helps a lot. My workflow is such that I download my pics in Canon RAW format. Convert them into RAW DNG format so most other programs can read them. I process and catalog those RAW images in ACDSee Pro and save the changes as a PSD file (for working in lossless quality and layers in other programs. Most programs will read a PSD file but not a DRAW or X3 file format. That's the only reason. The truth is, I use several different programs. What I've found is that although most programs offer the same features, some simply perform those tasks more quickly or with greater latitude. That's the truth. I simply use each different program for its individual strengths. For me, quality is important as to creative capability and speed / efficiency. I'm enjoying the vast tools in PP though, but other simple features I love like X3's ability to randomly generate creative effects and to save those effects as a preset. Their effects browser is also a gem. Would love to see these things in PP which is appearing to be a clear winner over X3. But each program is a little different and has something unique to boast. Cheers.
Colorblast said:Hi David, No, no crap storm intended.
The humor of the crap storm is in general they argue od the 48 verses 24 bit like crazy. For your information Corel Photo-PAINT is the only image editor I know of that can archive as true 48 bit in TIF or CPT file format. Photoshop is 14 bit only.
As of now true 16 bit Bayer capture patterns started becoming available in high end devices about a year ago and will likely be available for less expensive units in a few years.
Ahhh, understand. In fact, I only noticed Friday night that my Canon files were downloading as 48bit color files, hence my question. I went to open one pic I saved as a PSD file in PSP X3 and a window popped up saying it "wouldn't recognize the color file" I thought, "what in the heck does that mean?" I then tried PP, and Viola, it opened. I then saw the, "Convert To RGB 24bit" option, and did so. X3 then opened it. I also found and used the dodge brush in PP under the Effect Tool along with all the other Brush Tool options. (That's what I was wanting to use in X3). There's a very impressive range of brush options there in PP to offer. I'll be happily experimenting for the next six months. Long live special effects and plug-ins. Personally, I don't have the time to hand paint a photo. Not yet anyway. So I heavily rely on the "one-click" bundled effects that come with a software program. Longer term when I get competent with PP and DRAW, I'll then step up try my hand at Corel Painter. Cheers for the insight David.
Colorblast said:Personally, I don't have the time to hand paint a photo. Not yet anyway.
This is why I recommend 48 bit archiving as CPT file format, lossless compression, and the highest quality possible. Years from nowyou may open an archived file and have the best quality possible for th eday.
Hi David, I will check if ACDSee and Photoshop read CPT files. I haven't looked at that yet. If they don't then I'll have to convert my files to PSD 24bit so X3 can read them as there are some effects & tools in there that I like to use. If they do though then CPT 24bit will be the way to go. Either way I'll be able to edit my files across all the major software programs. Will let you know about their compatibility. If my other programs don't offer a CPT format then I'll email their developers and ask for it to be included in their next release. Cheers.