Now that I am getting fairly adept at basic Corel Draw designing - I have a couple of nagging issues that I want to follow up on.
I asked this question last year. (paraphrasing) ..... Can I select on object outside the print page and print it out by using the "print selection" option in the dialogue box.
The answer I got was no.
A lot of my preliminary artwork is in CMYK. After I am done the final artwork is in RGB and I move it to the print page to print.
I usually select everything on the print page and hit the "print selection only" option in the dialogue box. This seems to load the image faster and prints faster.
If I forget to hit the "print selection only" option and it defaults to the "print page" or print document" option ... I always get a warning in the print preview pane "your drawing has CMYK colors in it.
This is true if the printer is reading the entire workbook page - but if it can only print what is on the printable page (RGB only) - then why is it scanning the entire workspace and picking up the CMYK colors?
Or I can ask it this way - why does the coreldraw printer driver scan the entire workbook when it can only print what is on the printable page?
The other nagging question - I can't seem to get the outline tool to default to RGB.... it always defalutls to CMYK and I have to go to the RGB color palette and right click to get the outline color to RGB. Bugs the hell out of me so any help there is also appreciated.
dmyster
dmyster said:I asked this question last year. (paraphrasing) ..... Can I select on object outside the print page and print it out by using the "print selection" option in the dialogue box.
dmyster said:The answer I got was no.
The answer could be, "yes" if the selected objects are on a layer that is set to be printable.
You still might have to do something to get the selected objects to be on the printed page. Look at the Layout tab in the Print Options dialog for some "Image position and size" options for positioning the content relative to the printed page.
Another option for that sort of positioning would be to use Print Preview, then click and drag the content to change the positioning.
Hi Eskimo,
The layer is printable. I have succummed to the fact that Corel Draw is limited in printable area unlike my other inexpensive graphics program which isn;t.
Just trying to figure out why the printer scans the entire document page when it can only print the printable page.
Dmyster
dmyster said:The layer is printable. I have succummed to the fact that Corel Draw is limited in printable area unlike my other inexpensive graphics program which isn;t.
In my personal experience, CorelDRAW is not limited to only printing content that lies within the page borders in Draw. As I noted in my earlier post, you would have to use some options in the print dialog to get the outside-the-page-borders content to be positioned on the printed page.
"Reposition artwork to", set to "Center of page", is one option that can be useful for that sort of task:
Holy cow.... you are right... THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.
This is going to make it so much easier for me as I end up printing various areas of the document page every day. Now I don't have to duplicate everything and then place image on printable page - then move it off the page and duplicate the next image and place on page....
Keep in mind - several people told me you can't do it.
If your in San Diego some time - dinner is on me.
Now..... cmyk outline?...... Need to re-evaluate with the ability to print off page but - this morning I printed something on the printable page.... I forgot to select "print selection only" therefore it read the entire document and I got this pop up. The image on the page was RGB 000. I added an outline in my work area which be default always comes up cmyk. I duplicated the image (so I don't mess up the original) and moved it to the printable page. I converted the outline to RGB. I went to print and forgot to select the "print selection only" and I got this warning.
So... yes the printer does scan the entire document even though the the printer dialogue was option "reposition to center of page" was not selected.
I still need to make the outline default RGB.
This is my default setting. Do you see anything in here that would make the text outlines cmyk defalult?
dmyster said:Keep in mind - several people told me you can't do it.
Eskimo has already given you the details; Make sure the objects are on a printable layer and moved into the printable page area in the print dialog, and you should be fine.The reason people told you they cannot be printed could be because in earlier versions of Draw, objects that were moved outside the drawing area ended up on the non-printable Desktop layer if you saved the file or switched to another page. *Since the Desktop layer is non-printable by default, these objects would not print even though you had not moved them (manually) to a non-printable layer.* This illogical and unpredictable behavior was changed in 2019 but is still possible to obtain if you uncheck "Keep Desktop Objects on Layer" in the Object docker menu (cogwheel icon).
That makes sense as I never use the keep desktop objects on layer active.
Here's why it was a poorly implemented new feature. It became the default changing the behavior for every Draw user. The most destructive nature of the behavior is that for Corel amateurs there's no way to easily find desktop objects in this mode, specifically in large page count files. The problem for Draw pros is that there may be something important on one of the many desktops and there really is no easy way to find it.
The technical issues is that regardless of your page size the desktop is 150' x 150'. I recognized this immediately in version 2019 and to this day with version 2021.5 I charge an additional fee for Draw files unless the files came to me with keep desktop objects on layer turned off.
With the cheap nature of designers I got gripes but I raised my prices to $250 to get rid of those clients. Early in the 2021 cycle a printer came to me with a clients file an 80 page document that corrupted when creating a press PDF.
Turns out it was a corrupted object 23 feet into the desktop on one page. I fixed it and the pre press tech ask how he was supposed to find it as the object docker showed no desktop objects?
This feature was done as a failed attempt to resolve problems that were introduced when they poorly implemented multiple page with multiple page sizes. Crap following crap.
With the release of 2019 all my architectural (read really deep pockets) clients dropped Draw.
David Milisock said:Turns out it was a corrupted object 23 feet into the desktop on one page. I fixed it and the pre press tech ask how he was supposed to find it as the object docker showed no desktop objects?
Here's how to find "desktop objects" in an easy way (for professionals ):Open the file.Disable "Keep Desktop Object on Layer".Switch to another page or save the file.Or if you want to be absolutely sure, browse all pages (Page Down from first to last page).BAM!All objects outside the drawing area on all pages will move to the Desktop layer (if the Desktop isn't locked or invisible).Delete in Objects docker.Enable "Keep Desktop Object on Layer" again, or don't.The fact that you found an object 23 feet (!) from a page, just shows how bad idea it is to use the Desktop as a storage area without thinking.For me, using multipage docs with pages of very different size, the old way could push "desktop objects" far away from the original page and out of visible area, if I switched from one page to another.That was a potentially dangerous and most unwanted behavior.
DUH! However professional output has many concerns. Getting hit with an additional $300 for ruined plates or an hour + material lost on an inkjet takes the profit from the next 2 jobs. I charge extra for the service to rid myself of as many unorganized designers as possible, nothing says go away as well as a high price.
Your concept is great until another foolish use of the desktop rears its ugly head. Saving notes for prepress on the desktop. I have no idea who got that idea started, but it wasn't me!
When you follow your instructions all items rush to one desktop layer, now AGAIN your have to sort through all the crap. Notes hidden behind objects and just stupid bull$hit. A LOUSY implementation of a good idea, just zero understanding of the creation and output process by those who created the feature in the first place.
Then you get the guy who somehow gets his desktop object 23 feet off center. First off what an unorganized process that created that.
Then again what a disorganized process that created the work flows as they are now, Corel needs to actually be smarter than the users!
Let's not forget how much of a pain in the a$$ is it moving objects between pages in keep objects on layer mode. Sure it's OK if you have a few pages but once the page tabs are full it SUCKS! So Corel made this the default. AWFUL!
In any operational mode objects off the page need to be in the desktop area of the objects docker PERIOD. In keep desktop objects on layer mode they simply need to be tagged for page and layer. It makes it a professional feature, easier pre flight as well as organized editing.
In multipage size mode keep desktop objects on layer as the, only operational mode. DUH!
The 2019 cycle saw ALL my remaining corporate Draw users move to Adobe. I'm not talking mom and pop dye sub or sticker makers with one or two licenses. They are corporations with 5 figure software budgets, Corel gets none of it. In the X5 to X7 days they were happy with the 8 to 12 licenses of Draw. Then came CFM and fewer upgrades then 2019. GONE!
David Milisock said:When you follow your instructions all items rush to one desktop layer, now AGAIN your have to sort through all the crap.
Which is exactly how it worked prior to 2019 where everything ended up on the Desktop layer after switching page or saving.So what do you expect?
David Milisock said:Then you get the guy who somehow gets his desktop object 23 feet off center. First off what an unorganized process that created that.
You know what David, this is exactly what can happen with the old desktop mode when we use pages of different size.An object is dragged outside page 1, and when switching to the much larger page 2 the object is moved to the Desktop layer and also to a position outside the page frame of page 2.As we switch back to page 1, the object may be 23 feet off the page and outside the visible area, and a potential future problem.
David Milisock said:Let's not forget how much of a pain in the a$$ is it moving objects between pages in keep objects on layer mode. Sure it's OK if you have a few pages but once the page tabs are full it SUCKS! So Corel made this the default. AWFUL!
With only a few pages, drag via page tab and drop. Easy.With lots of pages, select object, move to Desktop layer in Objects docker, switch page. Rather easy too.Or why not use copy/cut and paste?There could be a button in Objects docker though, "Move to Desktop layer", that would be helpful.
David Milisock said:In keep desktop objects on layer mode they simply need to be tagged for page and layer.
When "Keep Desktop Objects on Layer" is enabled, they stay on their pages and layers and they do not need to be tagged.Would be nice though if they remembered where they came from if or when they are moved to the Desktop layer, regardless of desktop mode.
David Milisock said:In multipage size mode keep desktop objects on layer as the, only operational mode.
So you are suggesting a confusing exception to justify the illogical behavior of objects jumping between layers without the user actually moving them???
David Milisock said:The 2019 cycle saw ALL my remaining corporate Draw users move to Adobe.
Even though I doubt this happened only because of the new default mode for how objects outside the drawing area are treated, I'm pretty sure you did your best to explain to them how this new way would ruin their files and cost them thousands of dollars.It was a change, yes, but I guess the majority didn't even notice, and the users who did either weren't affected, found how to switch back, or simply saw the benefits of objects staying were they were put.Then there may be a few who only see problems piling up, and refuse to see how it actually works and how to work around eventual issues. One or two. We've been through all this before David, and I've wasted too much time already so this will be my final post regarding this matter (for now? )
First I have to ask if your post in an attempt at humor? Improper utilization of multipage size documents keep desktop on layer mode off is where the bull$hit started.
"Which is exactly how it worked prior to 2019 where everything ended up on the Desktop layer after switching page or saving.So what do you expect?"
You know better than to make this statement. The behavior with 2018 and earlier in single page or multipage mode was that ALL DESKTOP ITEMS displayed on the one desktop when you opened the file, perfect for preflight and file sharing. No overlapping of items, ergo nothing hidden behind something else, something that easily happens now when switching between keep desktop objects on layer mode to the old default. All desktop items show in the docker as on the desktop, EASY TO FIND, easy to share!
"You know what David, this is exactly what can happen with the old desktop mode when we use pages of different size"
Yes, except when you open the file the object displays in the object docker as being on the desktop! Again, perfect for pre flighting a file and file sharing.
Screwing up how Draw supported multi-sized pages is where this mess got started, Corel did it on the cheap! The proper thing to do would have been to keep the page mode default as it was, make it so when you used multi-page sizes the keep desktop object on layer would be the only option. Then allow the option of activating keep desktop objects on layer for other modes. It is a good idea for maps and technical drawings but lousy for real multi-page work.
To be honest the concept of developing the features may be to complicated for Corel programmers and users to wrap their head around but once implemented the processes require near zero thinking. The programmers need to be smarter than the users.
"With only a few pages, drag via page tab and drop. Easy.With lots of pages, select object, move to Desktop layer in Objects docker, switch page. Rather easy too.Or why not use copy/cut and paste?There could be a button in Objects docker though, "Move to Desktop layer", that would be helpful."
Is this more humor? I expect this from a novice, but you must know better.
When operating with keep desktop objects on layer mode off, NOTHING is easier or faster for moving items from one page to another then dragging to the desktop, selecting the destination page and placing it. The more complex the file, the more complex the object being moved and the lower the system specifications the more this is true. My system which is a desktop with 64GB of RAM and 8GB video on the Intel platform and SSD drives has very few issues but most won't spend this on a system
The current trend of users thinking that laptops are powerful enough to do graphics work makes this even issue more important. Laptops with 16 to 32 GB of RAM and low-end video cards struggle with copy/cut and paste, 15 seconds to over a minute in time or crashes are unacceptable. Multipage files with 1.5GB or more in memory can be very time consuming if you have to cut an object that 6' x 4' with 30,000 objects in it to paste into another page. This is work where the real money is for the foreseeable future.
"When "Keep Desktop Objects on Layer" is enabled, they stay on their pages and layers and they do not need to be tagged."
I know your smarter than this so I must assume you shilling for Corel.
The desktop items need to be placed in the desktop area of the object docker and tagged for page and layer or they need to remain on the page area of the docker and tagged as being on the desktop. This makes finding items and pre-flighting files quick and profitable. You only get so much time to fix a job. Let alone sharing files in a multi-user environment.
"So you are suggesting a confusing exception to justify the illogical behavior of objects jumping between layers without the user actually moving them???"
Now that's insulting to any intelligence! Just have pop up, a little cloud that says due to desktop considerations, only keep desktop objects on layer mode is available in multi-page sized documents, place a checkbox to not display again.
"Even though I doubt this happened only because of the new default mode for how objects outside the drawing area are treated, I'm pretty sure you did your best to explain to them how this new way would ruin their files and cost them thousands of dollars"
My clients and I have had a 30-year relationship that's been profitable for both of us and it continues to this day. Corel lost the user base I kept the clients.
So it's not the way it worked, my deal with my large clients starting with version 4 was as long as I get the printing and signs they got CorelDRAW support for free.
Starting with X8 with the extremely poor performance of CFM across a network, culminating with the worst version of Draw ever with 2019 Adobe was cheaper, even though they're dropping $10,00 to $25,000 a year on Adobe. Their employees make $50,000 and up a year, CorelDRAW performance does not cut it in that environment.