I write this message for all corel users. In my company i use corel and i use creative suite cs5 for one year and creative CC for one month. Adobe have a grate products but i think there are a lot of programs and one persone can't use all. I find my corel x4 more quickley than illustrator/indesign cc 64 bit. I spend one day for paginate eight pages with illustrator and three hours with Corel. I studies many hours indesign and illustrator but i think almost people have requirement that adobe promotes, it's only a business move. I hope Corel continue to developer this software with this policy and best each distribution. A good graphic using adobe but does not have the ideas in head will never make big plans!!
KuttyJoe said:Then you can say something realistic about effort.
I have posted a Photoshop image that is a prime example of where Adobe has taken Photoshop. See if you can tell what's technological issue are with this image. I'll tell you that almost all current images from Photoshop suffer from it.
KuttyJoe said:It's interesting that you would attempt such an argument when you have no more proof than anyone else.
I was there. I am an eye witness to what went into this product. I was directly involved. I personally spend countless hours there. The effort was not lacking, guaranteed. How much more proof do you need than a participating eye witness? Of course you can dismiss what I say, that is your choice and I will respect that. I mean you really do not know me or my creditability.
I do not wish to argue with anyone. If there is an issue with the pdf and eps thing perhaps, just perhaps it's lack of knowledge? See Dave M's book on color management. I asked to see the offending cdr because if something is broken I want to see and understand it.
KuttyJoe said:If you want to talk about effort, you should look at the last 20 years. Look at where CorelDraw Suite was then and look at where it is today. Look at where Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator was 20 years ago and where they are today. Then you can say something realistic about effort.
I think you got production and marketing in the same thought and there is a big difference. I will agree Adobe is much more aggressive and put a lot more effort and dollars into their marketing, that is obvious to me. I have seen this over the same past 20 years. I attend a lot of trade shows such as NAB, video and print shows over the years and sadly watched Corel disappear from that scene. If I recall Photopaint was used in the original Spiderman production.
Draw has not fallen behind AI but that is a matter of work flow methodology and personal choice. I prefer Photoshop over Photopaint and I will also agree Photopaint needs a lot of attention to catch up. On the other hand PhotoPaint is not sold stand alone but is part of a graphic suite. No excuse in my eyes but I understand that.
KuttyJoe said:Neither I, nor you can determine what Adobe and Corel developers have been doing with their time
I know what Corel developer's were.are doing but I cannot speak to the Adobe developer's efforts, I have no idea good or bad. Judge the products for what they are. Thumbs up on Draw, thumbs up on Photoshop.
I think the real point of this thread was an issue with eps/psd files that got married up to "it's because lack of effort and investment" and a direct attack on "Corel masters" and their efforts here which are free and that is what took a good issue south as far as I am considered. Seems once again no good dead goes unpunished? Lets see the offending cdr and see what is really going on. As for the rest it's starting to sound like a political argument and we certainly have more than enough of that.
Again please don't take what I say personal, it's not. Lets address the issues and get them fixed if they exist and lets all help each other acquire working knowledge. We all do the same thing with the same sfuff.
Hi KuttyJoe,
You should fill out an application for the beta team. To me you would be an excellent candidate. Roll up your sleeves and really make a difference<G>
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KuttyJoe said: If you want to talk about effort, you should look at the last 20 years. Look at where CorelDraw Suite was then and look at where it is today. Look at where Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator was 20 years ago and where they are today. Then you can say something realistic about effort.
I wonder why "20 years" and not othe date, btw I will accept this date. 20 years ago, Adobe was a big company around the world, after develop the industry-standard language for printer: Postscript, and the PS and EPS file format, and there's not any other alternative. Also, Adobe develop the Type1 and Type 3 fonts, and the TrueType fonts, Adobe Photoshop was the most used software for image editing. (I'm not sure if it was 2.5 or 3.0 at this date) On the contrary, Illustrator still has not popularyty, under Mac the most used software was Aldus PageMaker and Aldus Freehand, Adobe said that the programs should be sold individually, it was not professional to develop a suite and things such as a Welcome screen or a Propierty bar was childish.
20 years ago, Corel (a small canadian company) launched CorelDRAW 4.0, adding new features such as multipage files (up to 999 pages) but the program has several bugs. It was the worstt and slowest version ever. After years of success, version 4.0 was a big step back. The prnt preview was enable by default when print, and it was very slow and it was not possible to disable it. Each previoius versions introduced a big amount of great features, but version 4 only add a few changes. The initial release has several problems with color separation (ie, the black output as 4 inks) and was useless until the service pack Still no success with Mac version.
20 years after, Adobe is still the industry standard based on the Postscript language, and still there's not alternative to this language. The PDF becomes a standard and replaces PS and EPS as the most used exchange files. All their programs has now a Welcome screen and Propierty bar, and now they sold their programs as a Suite. Photoshop is still the most used software for image editing After the purchase of Aldus and Macromedia, and the elimination of Freehand, Fireworks and others, Adobe is the only option in Mac. Although after the purchase of Macromedia (Dreamweaver, Flash, etc.) has a stranglehold on web design, has experienced severe economic crises in recent years, having to make several massive layoffs and redistribution of employees, so was forced to release interim versions (CS5.5) and shorten the time to market from 24 to 18 months. Recently changed its policy (Creative Suite to Creative Cloud), based exclusively on online subscription system.
20 years after, Corel has grown significantly in recent years, it has bought Micrografx, Metacreations, U-lead and several more companies, expanding its list of programs: Painter, VideoStudio, Designer (now CorelDRAW Technical suite), PaintShop Pro, AfterShot, CorelCAD, WordPerfect (Quattro Pro, Presentations, etc), PDF Fusion, WinDVD, Winzip, etc.offering a wide variety of solutions. Corel was acquired by Vector and then returned to the stock market. and has increased more than ten times the number of users in the last few years, becoming one of the most popular software companies around the world. The latest versions (X5, X6) have been the best sellers in its history and that have had greater success.
KuttyJoe said:Neither I, nor you can determine what Adobe and Corel developers have been doing with their time. What we can both see easily though is the result of their efforts. That's really what matters.
The Corel Team works the entire year (except holidays, of course) on the improvement of the suite, not only a few monhs before the launch. And of course, Adobe team should do the same. Perhaps the results are not enough, or perhaps you are not agree the results. That's different, but is very offensive to say "there's not effort". It's like watching the winner of the past Contest and say: "He can do it better, he has not made enough effort". Well, you an like it or not, and surely always is possible to do it better, but you can not assume that was not hard enough.
Of course, Corel can and must do more, and still has much to improve. But it is not only to correct errors or improve existing tools, but to develop new and more powerful features. But we can say something similar about Adobe and the differences between CS5, CS5.5, CS6 and CC....Do you really think they have done everything possible? Do not major changes could be introduced? Is it worth paying so much money for so little difference? how many Adobe programs create barcodes or QR codes without third-party plugins? What imposition capabilities have been improved ?
Let's talk about a simple taks, ie, create a rectangle on Illustrator with two rounded angles. Yes, you can use the Pathfinder but if you need to change the roundness of any angle you should do it all again. Or find and replace object propierties (not select all similar objects). You do not think Adobe also could do better? you do not think other companies could also make an effort a bit more and develop more and better tools? it's not only about Corel.
As always, everything is relative to the use of each designer to every program. For many people, CorelDRAW X3 and Photoshop CS3 are enough, and perhaps do not take advantage of new features or differences.
What I dream for CorelDRAW? A simple 3D effects (such as rotate an extrude object), textures that adapt to the shape of the object surface, true lighting from different light sources, more speed with text flow, a better Object Manager, new realistic Extrude, a better envelope also for bitmaps, merge PhotoPaint to CorelDRAW as a bitmap layer... a lot of more!!!