PhotoShop filters in PhotoPaint

Hi all

Just for fun I decided to see if I could get the filters from PS CS2 to work with PhotoPaint X3.
After setting the filter path in Options, the filters appeared in the Effects menu in PP. Good.
As expected though, it wasn't that simple. When trying an effect, all I get is the transparency
grid in the preview and if I apply an effect it just makes the image/object all black.
I think I've read somewhere about using these filters, but can't find anything right now.

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Rikk Flohr over 17 years ago

Plugin exist in two varieties. The first is the older format which Adobe used prior to PhotoShop Version 7.0 (Someone may correct me on that) Those plugins are widely compatable and work in a variety of programs including Photo-Paint and PaintShopPro. With the release of CS, Adobe changed their standard for plugin architecture to a proprietary schema.

Some plugin developers still develop to the old standard which was more of an open-source flavor. These are backwards compatible with current versions of Corel bitmap editors and current versions of PhotoShop.

The stock CS2 filters shipped with Photoshop are not cross compatible with other paint programs.

Foster Coburn has written about this a couple of times at his unleash.com website. You might buzz over there and read what he said because he has all the particulars.
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Ronny Axelsson over 17 years ago in reply to Rikk Flohr

Thanks Rikk
That was what I suspected. I had a quick look at Foster's site, before I sent
this question, but couldn't find anything. I'll have a look there once more.
Thanks again.
/Ronny
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FosterCoburn over 17 years ago in reply to Ronny Axelsson

Ronny,
I have discussed this topic several times in my blog this year. If you look at some of the past posts, you should find a lot of information on the topic.
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Ronny Axelsson over 17 years ago in reply to FosterCoburn

Thanks Foster.
I was sure I had read about it on your site before, but couldn't find it.
A search for "plug-in" was much more rewarding than "filter" was. ;-)
Anyway, it seems like the CS2 filters won't work and if I got it right, many others won't either.
I see you have a bunch for sale on your site, that will work with PP too, at least most of them.
So, if the plug-in developers don't care about other software than PS, wouldn't it be possible
for Corel to adapt PP to the new "standard" instead?
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Ilya Razmanov over 17 years ago in reply to Ronny Axelsson

Ronny Axelsson said:
So, if the plug-in developers don't care about other software than PS, wouldn't it be possible
for Corel to adapt PP to the new "standard" instead?
I'm afraid that the problem consist of two parts: 1) When Adobe released new SDK, they imposed quite strong restrictions on using that. Basically, it sounded like Adobe will decide whether you can use new SDK or not, and can reclaim your rights for using it at any time. Many people got unhappy. I'm not quite sure about current status of the problem (since I got *quite* unhappy and decided not to deal with new SDK at all), but probably Corel will be having problems implementing new SDK features in their host, and the problems will not be programming-related. 2) What as to plugins included into Adobe own programs, that seem to be a different story. They became incompatible long before new SDK was released, and they seem to follow some Adobe private specs rather than any published specs (I remember one of Adobe guys saying it was made for easy localization). I'm afraid that means that Corel will not be able to reconstruct the host without reverse engineering of Photoshop, which is illegal. So I would not expect Adobe own plugins to become compatible with Corel, unless the miracle happen and Adobe publish all their specs open and with no limitation. And last but not least: I wouldn't say that "plug-in developers don't care about other software than PS". I, for example, do care. Moreover, I personally know several other plugin developers who really do. I'd say that *most* of third-party plugin developers do, in fact. We may be missing some cool features of new SDK but the possibility to have non-Adobe users as our customers sort of compensate for it ;-)
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Ronny Axelsson over 17 years ago in reply to Ilya Razmanov

Thanks for the information Ilya.
Are there any big advantages developing for the new Adobe standard, or how come the old
"universal" standard is not used for all filters (except Adobe's own of course)?
This is (or at least has not been up till now) no big deal for me, I'm mainly curious. :-)
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Ilya Razmanov over 17 years ago in reply to Ronny Axelsson

Frankly, I don't remember much since their policy made me stay away from it. About the only thing I seem to remember is that they switched to C++ and their sample projects now may be dealt with without, errr, having sexual intercourse with them :-)
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