Hello, that's my first post. This forum seems to have a lot of experienced people, and I am really in need here. I work on Mutoh Falcon II in which I use Pantone solid Coated pallete (from X3). I made 2 printings with this pallete, and done it with two diffrent printer profiles. Now when I got 2 pallets on textile, I can easily look how will every color from pallete look like after job. So I can very precise make my projects, and the clients are used to my colors. Unfortunatly, during last 3 years, many things have changes, and also I am getting more and more new files, which X3 can't properly manage, open and import. Also it can't use full potential of my machine, so I decided to move on to X5. Now after moving I am shocked about how diffrently it treats all graphhic. It don't have same pallete of Pantone C. Every Pantone has slightly / significant diffrence in separative colors, so my old Pantone 185, or 485 now on my printer looks compleatly diffrent! This cannot be happening. I lost 50m of fabric becuase EuropeUnion flags were printet in diffrent blue color.... Now I tried to help myslef, but I have poor knowledge about colors profile. During my little investigation, I saw that there is a way to get my old pantone. I have imported my old pallete, which is in cpl file. I can open it via X5 pallete editor. Than I need to thick little box which says "Treat as separation colors" - than the name of for example Pantone 485C goes away, but it's place is took by CMYK parameters, which are correct with old CMYK parameters in Corel X3. But by doing this there are two problems. First and worst is that it would take me years to change by my hand all those pantone colors. Second, also very annoying is that after doing so - Corel X5 stops to find colors which I want when I type their name. It used to be that I was clicking on object, on it's color twice, than little window was poping, I clicked there (Colors/Models/Pallets) Pallets, and there was my normal Pantone(R) solid coated. Than I just type 4... and 485C was already shown. Than just Enter and done. Color set. Now after changing the pallet to separative colors, I am loosing "names" and getting just CMYK color name. To be precise, in Corel X3 it looks like this :
And this is in X5:
, so please tell me WHY!? :) Who made such great fail. I'd love to have my old colors in new version, because it is so much faster in opening and working on files. But color diffrences are not accaptable. And this is why I spent more than 700$, and now still I'm using old soft. Please help me out.
Maybe this will help You understand something more, pictures of settings in X3 and 5.
A short answer: you must use a different color profile to have good results. That's all. You do't nned to find old libraries, replace palette or nothing. The "old palettes" has changed because Pantone company change values, but you can use the last color settings with the appropriate color profile without problem,
As far I see, on X3 you don't have a calibrate color profile. Almost all is "generic", and that means that you never calibrate it. Perhaps it works fine, but you don't know what's your real color profile.For example, if you're using Perceptual rendering, CMYK ICC Coated Fogra 27 o Fogra 39, etc. On X5 you have several values that I don't know why you are using, such as Grayscale with Dot Gain according to Gamma 2.2.Also, you're using RGB color profile, and output as CMYK, so I believe you must use CMYK instead
If you change the last option (Spot color definition) fromLab to CMYK, you wil have better values when change Pantone to CMYK
You're great man! Thicking this only option "Lab->Cmyk" solves my problem compleatly. To the rest of your message - I do know that I never used any profile, and that my profiles are bad, and goind with those generic profile isn't good. And moving further - I cannot belive my eyes when designing graphic, but on my brain which remebers which color will look best in every and each of those projects that I work on. But this is how it is in my company, and now it's too late to change everything upside down. Not only i work on this machine, I don't have only Mutoh, but also Mimaki etc. Here we always relay on those pallets that we have printed, on fabric. This are our color-tables, and to be hones as far as it goes I got used to it. Maybe some day when I'll be more experienced I will try to change that, but I already can hear my co-worker (in my mind) who says "why changeing something that works!" :)
Thank You one more time, I will update this topic if I'll encounter any other problems.
Yes, I know that, and I'm using it (new pantone). We're also talking about swithching into this Lab thing. Now I've got another question / problem. I'd like to print Pantone Plus pallete, but for old pallete, we got pdf file from Pantone website. Now it's hard to find PDF file which would have all colors on one page. Also using built-in macro for creating color swaches, will creat couple of pages. Is there any way to make this macro to put all swaches on one page, or maybe in fixed rectangular area ? I need to fit it into 159cm. I'd be very greatfull.